Mamapolo2016 · F
Here’s my opinion, free and worth every penny.
You were knowingly disrespectful. You thought such a daring move would be hilarious. If what you say is true, there’s no way you didn’t know the effect it might have.
It’s not about what YOU think or believe that’s relevant.
When you are a guest in someone’s home, it means that you honor and respect and show gratitude because they chose to invite you. It’s THEIR home, not yours. If you can’t be respectful, don’t go to their house.
Pretty simple.
In this case, it’s even worse. It was your mother you were disrespectful to. Not that I think mothers get a gold pass, but what you describe was intentional and quite childish. Then she explained WHY it was disrespectful and you disrespect her even more, and you still are doing that, like a teenager muttering “It was just a joke,” after hurling a brick through someone’s living room window.
Practice saying, “I was wrong, I am sorry.” Then don’t do it again. And, a caution: Even if you don’t hold anything sacred, many people do. If you can’t even honor that with silence, then you’d better be careful about where you go and what you do. There are places where you could end up seriously hurt or dead. For a joke.
I went to a Lakota powwow once, and during a dance performance, an eagle feather fell off one of the costumes. Everything stopped, and four Native American chieftains (three of whom, I learned later, were decorated WWII veterans) silently retrieved the eagle feather, chanted, and carried it off for safekeeping. It was no joke to them.
You were knowingly disrespectful. You thought such a daring move would be hilarious. If what you say is true, there’s no way you didn’t know the effect it might have.
It’s not about what YOU think or believe that’s relevant.
When you are a guest in someone’s home, it means that you honor and respect and show gratitude because they chose to invite you. It’s THEIR home, not yours. If you can’t be respectful, don’t go to their house.
Pretty simple.
In this case, it’s even worse. It was your mother you were disrespectful to. Not that I think mothers get a gold pass, but what you describe was intentional and quite childish. Then she explained WHY it was disrespectful and you disrespect her even more, and you still are doing that, like a teenager muttering “It was just a joke,” after hurling a brick through someone’s living room window.
Practice saying, “I was wrong, I am sorry.” Then don’t do it again. And, a caution: Even if you don’t hold anything sacred, many people do. If you can’t even honor that with silence, then you’d better be careful about where you go and what you do. There are places where you could end up seriously hurt or dead. For a joke.
I went to a Lakota powwow once, and during a dance performance, an eagle feather fell off one of the costumes. Everything stopped, and four Native American chieftains (three of whom, I learned later, were decorated WWII veterans) silently retrieved the eagle feather, chanted, and carried it off for safekeeping. It was no joke to them.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Mamapolo2016 Thank you for a very thorough explanation.
Mamapolo2016 · F
@SomeMichGuy Being thorough - or verbose - is my thing.😅
SomeMichGuy · M
@Mamapolo2016 It's refreshing to read something well-written and meant to be read over more than three seconds.
Thank you.
Thank you.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
First, I think you underestimated the extent to which that object is regarded as a sacred symbol .
So what people heard was a lot more than a joke about leather.
Second, even if Native American heritage were not part of this story, many people would find it quite jarring if someone looks at an ordinary object and suddenly blurts out a word like "kinky." That's simply not the way most people talk .
I think this might be a case of your Internet usage causing you to develop a skewed view of people.
In short, both the object and the word you used have connotations that are different for you than for your family. Hence the different perceptions of what you said.
So what people heard was a lot more than a joke about leather.
Second, even if Native American heritage were not part of this story, many people would find it quite jarring if someone looks at an ordinary object and suddenly blurts out a word like "kinky." That's simply not the way most people talk .
I think this might be a case of your Internet usage causing you to develop a skewed view of people.
In short, both the object and the word you used have connotations that are different for you than for your family. Hence the different perceptions of what you said.
Notsimilarreally · 31-35, F
I don't think so, but I am not surprised to hear people were upset. You were just being funny. Seems like just a misunderstanding that could be forgotten about. Hope that she lets it go and forgives you 💛
Tumbleweed · F
I get it, it could have been meant as a joke but I have a very good friend who is 100% Navajo and I know they hold certain things as very very sacred and I would actually be afraid to make light of it. Native American culture is very powerful and spiritual and I think you crossed a line.
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HumanEarth · F
@Tumbleweed You nailed it
Tumbleweed · F
@HumanEarth Thank you 💕
KingofBones1 · 46-50, M
I am a proud Cree Nation native myself. Honestly there's nothing wrong with a joke but when it comes to a tribal or ceremonial item of such great importance that is not something to joke about that is like making fun of somebody's heritage. Or insulting the ancestors I don't find it hilarious at all
rinkydinkydoink · M
@NativePortlander1970
Kinda harsh? Wouldn't a wise man try his best to set him straight in a positive way?
Kinda harsh? Wouldn't a wise man try his best to set him straight in a positive way?
KingofBones1 · 46-50, M
@rinkydinkydoink but to be set straight he has to be willing to listen. For a deaf ear hears and learns nothing
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sben4200 · 56-60, M
@allygator18 Totally agree.
twistedrope · 26-30, M
@sben4200 Spot on.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
It does sound like something a 12 year old would do
sben4200 · 56-60, M
@FreeSpirit1 Agreed.. it sounds pretty childish and disrespectful to his mother and her culture.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@FreeSpirit1 Most 12-year olds would know better than that.
Fungirlmmm · 51-55, F
While I understand you were trying to be hunorous many Native Americans connect feathers to our creator. A lot of spiritual rituals are centered around earth elements including feathers because some tribes consider them a gift from the creator beyond the sky. Feather fans are used as part of cleansing rituals like smudging or even may represent the life of a person that has passed on. I would never call someone a jerk without knowing the whole story but I would suggest you approach your mom when things aren't as heated and ask her to tell you more about the importance of the fan. I would say the fan is a remembrance from a person that has passed and she will probably go in depth on the types and colors of the feathers and what they represent. I hope they forgive you and everyone can move on.
Fungirlmmm · 51-55, F
@Astro Now you know and maybe she won't be so uptight.
Astro · 56-60, M
@Fungirlmmm Hard to say, this is the same woman who wouldn't let my sisters and I watch peter pan as children because of how the native Americans were portrayed.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Astro So you should have known how important her heritage is to her.
Quimliqer · 70-79, M
Jokes are one thing, using a sacred item isn’t!!
HumanEarth · F
I'm part Native American and I would find that offensive and disrespectful.
SomeMichGuy · M
Apparently prayer type ceremonial fans aren't meant to be joke props.
That goes along with the problem statement...
DrWatson · 70-79, M
I don't think that saying " I was just making a joke" automatically counts as a defense. Jokes can be offensive and hurtful.
If you, unknowingly, were mocking something of religious significance, why not treat this as a learning experience, apologize, and explain that now you know better?
If you, unknowingly, were mocking something of religious significance, why not treat this as a learning experience, apologize, and explain that now you know better?
Justmeraeagain · 56-60, F
They may have overreacted,hard to say not being there,but it's their house and their stuff.
So maybe a bit more respect?
So maybe a bit more respect?
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
We live in a society where catering the the offended is paramount. EVERYBODY seeks out something to offend themselves.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@ChipmunkErnie This guy would cause mass panic with the youth of today.
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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@NativePortlander1970 I watch Youtube "reaction" videos sometimes and it can be quite amusing to watch the younguns gasp when they watch TV and film from the past -- particularly the comedy material. "oh my god, they said THAT!!??" etc.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@ChipmunkErnie LOL They're hilarious to watch, or when shown old technology.
Spoiledbrat · F
I'm sure you meant no harm but I can see how they might be offended.
Spoiledbrat · F
@NativePortlander1970 To be honest, I don't really understand it.
NativePortlander1970 · 51-55
@Spoiledbrat Native American culture is steeped in spirituality, most objects have deep meaning one way or another, whether positive or negative. Feathers especially have high significance due to them belonging to birds, the most respected of all creatures. @cherokeepatti knows exactly what I mean.
Astro · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 That's what my mother told me. She was upset I didn't know better.
Teslin · M
Seems they are very proud of their heritage.
Carissimi · F
It sounds like an innocent joke to me.
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Astro · 56-60, M
@OogieBoogie She was most upset that I should have known better. I won't lie growing up I used to block out all the native stuff she'd do or talk about. I was never interested. Yeah I know it's my heritage along with being mexican but I never felt the need to make it my entire identity like her and most of her side of the family.
OogieBoogie · F
@Astro its so odd reading that.....my heritage is convicts.
And i know only scraps of my heritage due to , well... barely any records: Just a few names, some assumptions and the country they came from . My grandfathers side is a mystery as he was a drunk and a recluse and German: and that all i know.
If im to be honest....im kinda jealous that your heritage is so rich, so honorable, so full of story and culture, colour and wisdom. (And war and sorrow.... but still...🤷♀)
Isnt it funny - here i am lamenting being void of any historic culture.... and there you are wanting so much not to be defined by yours .
We always want what we dont have eh?
If i was you ....(Which is an unfair thing to say i know), id absorb what you can from your mom - theres a world, and a life or more of backstory and wisdom ....that many of us will never have.
You have roots. You are connected to a people.
You don't have to live it - but i bet she would LOVE telling you 🤗
From the outside looking in ...... that's a really beautiful thing.
💜💚
And i know only scraps of my heritage due to , well... barely any records: Just a few names, some assumptions and the country they came from . My grandfathers side is a mystery as he was a drunk and a recluse and German: and that all i know.
If im to be honest....im kinda jealous that your heritage is so rich, so honorable, so full of story and culture, colour and wisdom. (And war and sorrow.... but still...🤷♀)
Isnt it funny - here i am lamenting being void of any historic culture.... and there you are wanting so much not to be defined by yours .
We always want what we dont have eh?
If i was you ....(Which is an unfair thing to say i know), id absorb what you can from your mom - theres a world, and a life or more of backstory and wisdom ....that many of us will never have.
You have roots. You are connected to a people.
You don't have to live it - but i bet she would LOVE telling you 🤗
From the outside looking in ...... that's a really beautiful thing.
💜💚
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Penny · 46-50, F
no lol. i think its funny lol
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Smack all the butts you can get away with, if that's your thing, have your thing.































