the main reason is that donald trump like all former presidents receive secret service protection and there are no firearms allowed in any venue a former president is under secret service protection
@BohemianBabe actually the democrats seem to talk about guns a lot more than republicans do. republicans say very little other than 2nd amendment 2nd amendment. democrats talk about magazine capacities and number of rounds and caliber size and style of weapon.
@Mak03 Well both parties talk about guns a lot, they just have different narratives. Republicans don't just say we have a right to own guns, they also talk about how more guns means a safer society. They say we should arm teachers. But for some reason, they don't say we should arm people when it concerns them.
@BohemianBabe well they probably don't say to over ride the decisions of the secret service regarding former presidents, i am not really sure i have seen no evidence as rather they do or not talk about it. but you are lumping all gatherings of republicans in with one where a former president attended i am quite sure there are republican functions where guns are not banned.
I can't seem to respond directly to Horacegreenley but:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/ This "report" includes the phrases:
Homicide 1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)
Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.
2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide
We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.
Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.
3. Across states, more guns = more homicide
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997).
After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993.
4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)
Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.
Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.
5. A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death
This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths.
This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home.
Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013.
6. More guns = more homicides of police
This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states.
This article was cited by President Obama in a speech to a police association. This article will hopefully bring police further into the camp of those pushing for sensible gun laws.
Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.
@samueltyler2 Thanks for posting that. In addition here are few state to state comparisons that demonstrate the same results - states with laxer gun laws and more guns have higher gun death rates.
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if they see a kid using a pen to poke the eyes of another kid ... they will arm the teacher with a pen too, .. so the teacher can use the pen to stop the kid from using their pen .. 🤦♀️
if this type of logic is fed into a super computer, it would explode and the debris will form a gun .. or a pen pineapple apple pen
Question? Why is it that when Democrats control the Whitehouse (President/Vice President and Congress...There are more mass shooting incidents than when Republicans are in control? Just asking. 🤔🤷♀️
Question? Why is it that when Democrats control the Whitehouse (President/Vice President and Congress...There are more mass shooting incidents than when Republicans are in control?
Why do even intelligent people make this claim, when it’s so easy to disprove ? 🤦🏽♀️
Why don't people who want to ban guns just put up "gun free zone" signs at Democratic events, instead of relying on hundreds of armed secret service to protect their candidates?
And, why do democrats in these "gun free zones", when confronted by criminals (whom obviously didn't see the signs, and didn't disarm themselves before embarking upon their mass murdering spree), rely on people with guns to stop him?
These debates become quite amusing when you use reverse psychology on the people who start them don't they? 🤔
Actually, it's not the same people. First, by "people who claim guns make life safer" I presume you mean the NRA. I'm fairly certain, however, that the guns were banned from the audience by the former president's Secret Service protection team. They have no stated opinion on gun rights among the citizenry. They just don't allow guns around their protectees.
@hippyjoe1955 Well, Joe, as someone who has read Thomas Paine and Jane Austen, I have never found the syntax and grammar of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution to be confusing or ambiguous. Are you asking for my thoughts on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? I long ago posted on the subject here: https://similarworlds.com/144756-I-Believe-In-The-Right-To-Own-A-Gun/2324248-DISCLAIMER-This-story-presents-a-politically-hot
@sarabee1995 No question about the 2nd amendment. Just curious about what you thought of the article. Not being a woman or a feminist or even a leftist I am curious about your take on what she wrote in her article.
@hippyjoe1955 If you're looking for a female leftist feminist perspective, I'm afraid a can't help you there. I'm not a leftist (every political issues survey I've ever taken places me right of center). And most feminists don't consider me feminist enough for the label. Lastly, I don't really think my gender has much to do with my opinion on the article.
But you want my opinion? Sure...
It was well written, logically laid out, and informative. I don't think I quite believe all the claims she made about the attitudes of her former gun-control friends, or at least the claimed universality of those beliefs.
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Former President Donald Trump is scheduled to speak at the National Rifle Association's Annual Leadership Forum on Friday. But audience members at the group's annual meeting, being held this year in Houston, won't be able to carry guns during his address.
The conference is going ahead in the shadow of Tuesday's mass shooting at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school that killed at least 21 people — including 19 students.
According to the NRA, the Secret Service is taking control of the hall during Trump's speech and is prohibiting attendees from having firearms, firearms accessories and knives. Ammunition, laser pointers, pepper spray, toy guns, backpacks and other items also won't be allowed.
The Secret Service will search attendees with magnetometers before they enter the hall, the NRA said.
This isn't the first time firearms have been off-limits during a part of the gun group's annual convention. In 2018 a similar prohibition was put in place during a speech by then-Vice President Mike Pence.
The Secret Service told NPR in a statement at the time that the agency has the "authority to preclude firearms from entering sites visited by our protectees, including those located in open-carry states."
In 1999, after the mass shooting at Columbine High School that left 13 people dead, the NRA considered canceling its annual convention scheduled for a few days later in Denver but ultimately decided to go ahead with the event.
@TexChik but guns make life safer... so more guns... more safety... especially for politicans... i mean if more guns is the right thing for little kids shouldnt we have the same safety standards for politicans ?
For starters... the majority of us don't go to Trump rally's and NRA "meetings" all day, every day. So, please lighten up on the silly hyperbole
Secondly, many of us live, work, and play where firearms are constantly present; there are guns all over the place when I'm at home, my neighbors have them; many people driving down the roads have them in their cars; my co-workers have them; people are carrying them when I go shopping for groceries, etc.
and yet, not once has one of those inanimate guns jumped up and started shooting everyone...🤔
We do however keep a keen, watchful eye on people who wear biden/harris shirts and vagina hats, wear their pants around their ankles, and/or are confused about what gender they are, and spend all day ranting about capitalism, environmentalism, racism (or any number of nonsensical subjects that end with "ism")... Those kinds of people are obviously mentally unstable, and could at any moment have a mental breakdown and become violent...
Fortunately, there are enough law abiding gun carrying citizens around to put down those rabid animals should the need arise... 🤔
@HoraceGreenley Imagine a political rally where everyone was packing. One guy pulls his gun to shoot the politician and everyone else shoots the would be shooter. Kind of reminds me of the old Jim Stafford song Cow Patti. The great show down between Patti and the killer where the meet in the street. They pull their guns and start shooting. "Forty shots rang out and forty people people fell. Patti and the Killer missed each other but they shot that town to hell".
@samueltyler2 i think youl find most evil gun toting republicans agree with you. but the dicks in power would rather defend Ukraine and themselves with 12 foot steel fences..
@samueltyler2 Actually he was right on point. The fact is that had the school proper functioning doors the killer would have had no entry into the school. Seems simple. Here is peaceful, gun free Canada there have been 7 school lockdowns in the last week in my city of a million people. People with guns. People making threats etc. Sadly schools have become targets of the maniacal killers whose mental illness causes them to want to destroy and kill in order to be famous. If not a gun a fire bomb will work or any other weapon they can dream up.
and yet... every time there is a shooting in a "gun free zone", or in a European country where civilian gun ownership is banned; you rely on a cop, with a gun, to protect you... (when you're not accusing them of being corrupt and/or demanding that they be defunded...)
perhaps things would be better if a bunch of unarmed idiots like ya'll charged the attacker instead.... 🤣
@Ryannnnnn @wildbill83 Both the Harvard Gun Study and the UN gun study concluded that places with the highest levels of private gun ownership have the lowest levels of violent crime.
Both studies were world wide.
Neither organization could be characterizrd as pro-gun
@HoraceGreenley We should conduct a social experiment... Lets take a particular country, and completely eliminate all firearm possession from anyone; civilian, police, and military alike; put up "gun free zone" signs all around their borders; and make any kind of outside interference illegal...
OOOoooo.... I know, lets use Ukraine for this study... 🤔
In fairness, every rally where a President or serious Presidential candidate is speaking probably has sniper teams in the ceiling and fucking cyborg cops with laser eyes undercover in the audience.
It's a bit like the Red Queen in Alice.... The words mean whatever they wish them to mean... Don't look for logic, it's a rather dark and twisted rabbit hole they inhabit
@ozgirl512 Seems strange that the dnc national convention hall is surrounded by a fence and armed guards, and entry to the hall is forbidden without proper id. What a twisted rabbit hole they inhabit
Agreed. Why get a vaccine when you can just shoot yourself for example. Guns are extremely healthy and good for you. So conservatives need there daily dose of essential metals. Why are they so scared to shoot themselves or be shot.
@hippyjoe1955 You don't even know the difference between Liberalism and Leftism. 😆 But I guess when you're a Fash, anything that involves Democracy is the same.
@BohemianBabe Modern liberalism is leftist/progressive. Classic liberal is what we would call conservative now. Terms change and mean different things to different people. That does not excuse you lack of history.
@hippyjoe1955 Leftists oppose private property. So no, modern Liberals are not Leftists. And "Classic Liberals" were against the conservative version of Capitalism. You clearly don't know anything outside of what right-wing media tells you to believe.
Still waiting for the evidence for your claim about Democrats doing the shootings.
I know! If you outlaw guns at the NRA convention, only outlaws will have guns at the NRA convention. And the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun at the NRA convention is with a good guy with gun at the NRA convention.