Why do the same people who claim guns make the life safer ban those same guns from their meetings ?

I can't seem to respond directly to Horacegreenley but:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/ This "report" includes the phrases:

Homicide
1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.



2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.



3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993.



4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.



5. A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death

This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths.

This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home.

Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013.



6. More guns = more homicides of police

This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states.

This article was cited by President Obama in a speech to a police association. This article will hopefully bring police further into the camp of those pushing for sensible gun laws.

Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.

[c=4C0073]if they see a kid using a pen to poke the eyes of another kid ... they will arm the teacher with a pen too, .. so the teacher can use the pen to stop the kid from using their pen .. 🤦‍♀️

if this type of logic is fed into a super computer, it would explode and the debris will form a gun ..
or a pen pineapple apple pen[/c]

Question? Why is it that when Democrats control the Whitehouse (President/Vice President and Congress...There are more mass shooting incidents than when Republicans are in control? Just asking. 🤔🤷‍♀️

Trump is a target . The NRA members are a target . Now with the nuts all geeked up, it just makes sense .

the main reason is that donald trump like all former presidents receive secret service protection and there are no firearms allowed in any venue a former president is under secret service protection

and yet... every time there is a shooting in a "gun free zone", or in a European country where civilian gun ownership is banned; you rely on a cop, with a gun, to protect you... (when you're not accusing them of being corrupt and/or demanding that they be defunded...)

perhaps things would be better if a bunch of unarmed idiots like ya'll charged the attacker instead.... 🤣

Why don't people who want to ban guns just put up "gun free zone" signs at Democratic events, instead of relying on hundreds of armed secret service to protect their candidates?

And, why do democrats in these "gun free zones", when confronted by criminals (whom obviously didn't see the signs, and didn't disarm themselves before embarking upon their mass murdering spree), rely on people with guns to stop him?


These debates become quite amusing when you use reverse psychology on the people who start them don't they? 🤔

For starters... the majority of us don't go to Trump rally's and NRA "meetings" all day, every day. So, please lighten up on the silly hyperbole

Secondly, many of us live, work, and play where firearms are constantly present; there are guns all over the place when I'm at home, my neighbors have them; many people driving down the roads have them in their cars; my co-workers have them; people are carrying them when I go shopping for groceries, etc.

and yet, not once has one of those inanimate guns jumped up and started shooting everyone...🤔

We do however keep a keen, watchful eye on people who wear biden/harris shirts and vagina hats, wear their pants around their ankles, and/or are confused about what gender they are, and spend all day ranting about capitalism, environmentalism, racism (or any number of nonsensical subjects that end with "ism")...
Those kinds of people are obviously mentally unstable, and could at any moment have a mental breakdown and become violent...

Fortunately, there are enough law abiding gun carrying citizens around to put down those rabid animals should the need arise... 🤔

It's quite hypocritical. Even Trump has described his gun carrying supporters as crazy. Takes one to know one 😕

In fairness, every rally where a President or serious Presidential candidate is speaking probably has sniper teams in the ceiling and fucking cyborg cops with laser eyes undercover in the audience.

Agreed. Why get a vaccine when you can just shoot yourself for example. Guns are extremely healthy and good for you. So conservatives need there daily dose of essential metals. Why are they so scared to shoot themselves or be shot.

Former President Donald Trump is scheduled to speak at the National Rifle Association's Annual Leadership Forum on Friday. But audience members at the group's annual meeting, being held this year in Houston, won't be able to carry guns during his address.

The conference is going ahead in the shadow of Tuesday's mass shooting at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school that killed at least 21 people — including 19 students.

According to the NRA, the Secret Service is taking control of the hall during Trump's speech and is prohibiting attendees from having firearms, firearms accessories and knives. Ammunition, laser pointers, pepper spray, toy guns, backpacks and other items also won't be allowed.

The Secret Service will search attendees with magnetometers before they enter the hall, the NRA said.


This isn't the first time firearms have been off-limits during a part of the gun group's annual convention. In 2018 a similar prohibition was put in place during a speech by then-Vice President Mike Pence.

The Secret Service told NPR in a statement at the time that the agency has the "authority to preclude firearms from entering sites visited by our protectees, including those located in open-carry states."

In 1999, after the mass shooting at Columbine High School that left 13 people dead, the NRA considered canceling its annual convention scheduled for a few days later in Denver but ultimately decided to go ahead with the event.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101181842/nra-trump-speech-guns-banned-houston

Actually, it's not the same people. First, by "people who claim guns make life safer" I presume you mean the NRA. I'm fairly certain, however, that the guns were banned from the audience by the former president's Secret Service protection team. They have no stated opinion on gun rights among the citizenry. They just don't allow guns around their protectees.

You would need to read the whole article, not just the misleading headline.

That's simple
Trump don't want to shot or killed and gets millions in donations from the arm's industry

Because people try to assinate politicians and billionaires. A plot to assinaye former President Bush was just foiled by the FBI.

I would prefer everyone to be packing, but not with an obvious target

Standard secret service thing.. try getting a gun near any ex president..

Try entering the dnc national convention without going past the armed guards and the fence, and entering the building without proper id

Only if we banned all the democrats. They are the ones doing the mass killings and political killings so they are the ones that need to be banned.

I think guns are banned anywhere the President is speaking regardless of his politics.

Lot of people would get bumps and bruises squeezing past each other. Handguns would be more polite.

Because tRump isn't going to let anyone with a gun who isn't Secret Service anywhere near him!

I hope there are massive protests outside of the venue! 😃

Ew, no, that only applies to poor people. Rich lives matter!

Very good point. It's as if they realize it's a bunch of bs.

They aren't stupid. But they sell the product to stupids. That's why

I guess for the same reason libs ask stupid questions .

There you go getting all rational and stuff

Why do people who want to ban guns have armed security?

Hypocrites

It's a bit like the Red Queen in Alice.... The words mean whatever they wish them to mean... Don't look for logic, it's a rather dark and twisted rabbit hole they inhabit

And why do they want you to drive around with their bumper sticker and baseball cap without a security team of your own?

The short answer is: They’re [b]hypocrites[/b].

It’s pretty much the long answer, too. 🙁

I know! If you outlaw guns at the NRA convention, only outlaws will have guns at the NRA convention. And the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun at the NRA convention is with a good guy with gun at the NRA convention.