@Heartlander
Yours is not a serious argument.


There is no agency because the act of will is as illusory as the sense of self. Therefore, sin is not the issue but the mess we suffer as a result of conflict is.

@sree251

If a guard shoots and kills a fleeing prisoner attempting to escape the guard is guilt free because (1) the intent of the guard was to prevent a dangerous person from escaping, not to kill. (2) Firing a shot at the person trying to escape doesn't guarantee that the escapee will die. (3) For the guard to intentionally NOT fire a shot at the escaping prisoner, that decision may also have horrible consequences.

Humankind has discussed such moral questions for thousands of years, and I well remember numerous examples of the above being discussed in Catholic morals class. Leo talks like he was born yesterday and spent this morning hiding under a cabbage leaf. Or ... maybe his rhetoric has a different basis. Like why did Leo have a private meeting with Obama political strategist David Axelrod?

@sunsporter1649 the past is another country

In your case it seems to have a population of one

@AwesomusPrime

@MayorOfCrushtown muslims done pretty good, too

@sunsporter1649 every year pilgrims get trampled walking around that

@ElwoodBlues

In Leonardo Da Vinci's painting, Jesus was sitting in Trump's chair.

@sree251 Thank you SO MUCH for pointing out the similarity between the above image and Da Vinci's masterpiece. So thoughtful of you🤣😂

@peterlee I’m thinking more like a jimmy carter post presidency (penance wise ). Building homes for the poor.

@peterlee I suspect Vance is the type of American Catholic who would expect to hear the Popes confession..😷

@peterlee yup.. im totes seeing christain tables being built in mosques....

what i am seeing is prayer mats in chrches..

the flock wont be led astray. its a dangerous game they play

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout


A man who bows to a child rapist is no man.

@MoveAlong quote.
an appeaser feeds the crocodile in hopes hes eaten last.

i have no time for nutless cucks.

@sree251 ...and hookers peed on a bed in moscow, and hunters laptop is ruskie disinformation, and "less than 100" American citizens were abandoned to raghead terrorists, and President Trump loves dictators, and Joe Rogan said he’s not voting for Trump, and The Constitution ‘clearly states that a felon cannot take elective office’, and Melania Trump said she wants a divorce, and the bordes are secure, and biden is as sharp as a tack, and iran wants nukes to power their country, and the planet is cooling, and the planet is warming, and the planet is undergoing climate change, and there was plenty of water in LA, and boys are really girls, and 140 officers were assaulted on January 6, and pelosi never rejected National Guard troops before Jan 6, and the Biden Administration did not spend millions on “making mice transgender.”, and Gen. Colin Powell’s name has been removed from a list of notable Americans buried at Arlington Cemetery, and “no president” presided over more plane crashes during their first month in office as President Trump, and that ICE agents had conducted a “raid” at an elementary school, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., is “anti-vaccine” and President Trump “took down” President Obama’s portrait in the White House, and epstein introduced Trump to Melenia, and Vice President Vance “disparaged Elon Musk in private”, and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth requested nearly $140,000 in “upgrades” to his government residence, and President Trump was alone in wearing a blue suit to the funeral of Pope Francis, an American citizen was detained by authorities after he informed them he was, in fact, a citizen, and DOGE operatives attempted to gain access to secure spaces, and Harris would be among the most qualified presidents in recent U.S. history, diddy will be pardoned by Trump, and thomas crooks was a Republican....

@sunsporter1649 Why don't you load your stuff in a post of your own for discussion instead of parking here? Don't you have a credible presence here on this website?

@sree251 Just raising a few points for your expert analysis

@sree251 There was/is a lot of controversy over the church's behavior during the war. Especially the earlier parts. Nazi Germany was not yet a confirmed threat to the church but the Communist were, and the Nazis were vocally as anti-Communist as they were anti-Jew. And that anti-Communist Nazi enthusiasm may have, in some opinions, provided incentives for the pope to stay silent on Nazi behavior. But the Nazis later decimated the Catholic clergy in Poland because of Polish priest and religious participation with the resistance. So from Polish standpoint, Catholic Poland was betrayed by the Catholic Church for not using their pulpits to condemn Nazi behavior. So, while Catholic priest in Poland were being sent to death camps the Catholic church in Rome was mostly silent. There may have been back channels to support the resistance, but publicly they were silent,

In that era, Poland was probably the most Catholic country on earth, where tthe church and the government were almost one and the same. 90%+ professed Catholics. Today, that number is probably down to 70% or 60%. That it's not much lower is probably because the Church is bigger than the Pope. The Pope is just a man and not the church itself. Remember how Peter denied Jesus? How some of the apostles demanded proof that Jesus had risen? How they cowered in fear of their own lives? The pope is no different.

@Heartlander
This is your perception. You are just a man. There comes a time when a spiritual calling to be something else obliterates your mortal self-identity.


If the pope is no different, then there are only sheep without a shepherd. In this case, the wolves move in. Perhaps, Pope Leo is one sheep standing up against the wolves. He is not afraid, he said. And that is better than most.

@sree251

Per the old Baltimore Catechism (Lesson 11/21),

"... the Church is defined as the congregation of all baptized persons who profess the same faith, partake of the same sacraments, and are governed by their lawful pastors under one visible head—the Pope. It is considered the mystical body of Christ on earth."

Notice the careful choice of words. "lawful pastors", not the pastors shielding pedophile priest, not a pope betraying Polish people. The Church is the mystical body of Christ, not the Pope. Christ lives in ALL of us, not just in the Pope.

Catholic history has volumes of incidents of failed leadership, and numerous examples of saints who defied their bishops or pope and were excommunicated.

Being a Catholic is like being an American.

@Heartlander lots of people w uninformed opinions . Media and Govt NEED that.

@sree251 no that was me. You're very senile at a young age. And I didn't say I was expert at anything but I have plenty of experience. It was Nuclear fail safe systems

@Gibbon Nuclear what?

@sree251 just exactly what it says. Maybe go read about things sometimes

@whowasthatmaskedman Yes, what about it?

@whowasthatmaskedman
The jury is still out on this. We were led to believe Osama Bin Laden was behind this. The twin towers are now believed to be the work of the kind of people who killed JFK and staged Trump's assassination.

@sree251 Damn those Icelanders!!!😷

@AthrillatheHunt OK. Lets do this. First point. Lets be clear we are not talking about balancing the budget. Thats a totally different thing involving how much America spends against how much tax it raises. The last person to to that was Clinton.
Second Point. Reducing the deficit doesnt mean paying anything back to reduce the overall debt to the world. It merely means continuing to borrow from the world every month. But at a slower rate than the previous year..So still going broke. But not as fast.. And that was Obama.😷

@whowasthatmaskedman BarryO totally eliminated our national debt, by doubling it hahaha.

@AthrillatheHunt This is the irony of fiscal responsibility in America. Imposing spending limits on Americans makes you hellishly unpopular at home. Domestic prices rise because you are borrowing less overseas. Services are cut back because the tax you raised doesnt go as far. Thats an economic fact on both sides. I make no judgement calls on the politics. This is economics 101. Spend more than you earn and it comes back to bite you eventually. (And for America, read "eventually" as "Any minute now") And it will be a huge bite..
The other point that is worth making is that the government doesnt control the economy. Money does that. Depending on how much there is and who has it.. So Obamas recession was not Obamas. It was Americas, for the dot.com bubble that burst and was headed off by the real estate bubble that gave us the Big Short..Which gave the globe the Global financial Crisis for trusting the $US.. Which in turn had the smart people with the real money start looking for a different way to do business and that led to BRICS and the fall of the petro dollar. And all because Americans wouldnt live within their means..
Here endeth the lesson...😷

@sunsporter1649 Now, as Convivial was saying, the organised crime cabal curently destroying the US constantly carries out actions that smack of evil.

How does the US military fight evil when the worst evil in many decades has slithered into the heart of the US and into the hearts of those who feed it and defend it.

You

@newjaninev2

@Heartlander I stand in horror at the American evangelicals who condone this unnecessary war.

Vance is himself a Catholic.