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Is Israel of the Bible the same as the one of the British Mandate?

The meaning of Israel and its cause of the Gaza war needs critical examination.

Israel, as the national home for the Jews, is a political invention. The concept of "Eretz Israel" (i.e. Land of Israel) and its re-establishment as a modern state was a basic tenet of the original Zionist program. Whereas Israel of the Jewish Bible refers to God’s people: those that he established a covenant with. For Christians, this points toward the new humanity created in Christ; citizens of the kingdom of God. As Jesus had said, his kingdom is not of this world.

And what do you say?
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@sree251 I saw only one side of a debate about Ashkenazi origins; used incognito mode to see who. It's dippyjoe; I celebrate the day he blocked me! Anyway, there's irrefutable DNA evidence that Ashkenazi have a genetic connection to the Middle-East AKA Levant. Not that the facts will matter to dippyjoe; he never cares about facts🤣😂

Due to the relative scarcity of relevant historical records, the ethnic origins of present-day Ashkenazi Jews are debated [2], and in such a setting, genetic data provides crucial information. A number of recent studies have shown that Ashkenazi individuals have genetic ancestry intermediate between European (EU) and Middle-Eastern (ME) sources [4–8], consistent with the long-held theory of a Levantine origin followed by partial assimilation in Europe. The estimated amount of accumulated EU gene flow varied across studies, with the most recent ones, employing genome-wide data, converging to a contribution of around 50% of the AJ ancestry [4, 7, 9].
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5380316/

Underhill, Bustamante and their co-authors analyzed the Y chromosome - a piece of the human genome invariably handed down father-to-son - of a set of Ashkenazi men claiming descent from Levi, the founder of one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. (Names such as Levy, Levine and Levitt, for example, bespeak a Levite heritage.)

If Ashkenazis were the spawn of Khazar royals, their DNA would show it. But those Y chromosomes were as Levantine as a levant sandwich. The same genetic "signature" popped up on every Levite sampled (as well as a significant number of non-Levite Ashkenazis), strongly implying descent from a single common ancestor who lived in the Fertile Crescent between 1,500 and 2,500 years ago. That signature is absent in the Y chromosomes of modern European non-Jewish men, and in male inhabitants of what was once Khazaria.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/insights/2013/12/new-genetic-study-more-evidence-for-modern-ashkenazi-jews-ancient-hebrew-patrimony.html
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@sree251 As I have already said, your question is constructed upon the fallacy of the excluded middle AKA false dichotomy. I have tried repeatedly to clarify and explain.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
I have tried repeatedly to clarify and explain.

And that you have done with great earnestness and devotion on this chat site. You have a noble mission, Elwood.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Absolutely NOT! The ancient Israel we love to romanticise ended with the Babylonian exile. The stragglers that came back were Jews and they were driven from the land in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple. The present day Jews are descended from Europeans not those from the Middle East. Many of the Jews who remained in the area around Jerusalem converted to Christianity and then still later some converted to Islam. The nation that calls itself Israel is a clever ruse used to fool Christians into supporting evil and evil is what that nation is now doing and indeed has been doing since 1947.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@sree251
Jews are still waiting for the coming of their Messiah.
They claim he will be here in 215 years.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Diotrephes
They claim he will be here in 215 years.

Are you sure about that? Trump has only 3 more years before he loses access to the nuclear football. The next US President may not play ball.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Of course it is a political creation, but what of that? Sadly the new humanity promised by Jesus did not survive the horrors of the 1940s.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@sree251 Zionism was introduced into evangelical Christianity through a heretical study Bible authored by Zionist Jews. Many if not most evangelical Christians are now starting to walk away from that heresy and reflecting more and more the traditional Orthodox/Catholic/Mainstream understanding of Zionism. I consider myself a Kingdom Christian and I do not support the state that calls itself Israel any more than I support the USA or Canada or UK. No nation state is "of God". It is just a man made political entity.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955
I consider myself a Kingdom Christian and I do not support the state that calls itself Israel any more than I support the USA or Canada or UK. No nation state is "of God". It is just a man made political entity.

I agree, all nation states are man-made. They are selfish creations of the Devil for fomenting human conflict.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@sree251 They were created by God to serve a purpose. That doesn't mean I must support them. It means that God realised that truly free men will resort to evil and thus need some sort of constraint on them. That does not mean we must support them rather that we need to submit to them insofar as we can.
I say you pretty well nailed it. Because it's called Israel, that's enough for some people to assume it is Israel. It takes more than that for me
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP
I say you pretty well nailed it. Because it's called Israel, that's enough for some people to assume it is Israel. It takes more than that for me

Christianity informs western culture and shapes how we perceive reality. You must stay pretty awake to avoid getting swept down the gutter of politics.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@TheDeathOCuHullainn You are right it isn't a war. It is a genocide being done by the descendents of those who also went through a genocide. Neither genocide is/was right or just.
They are not the same thing but the prevailing thread in modern Zionism is about expanding it to match the ancient state of the bible in the Levant.
@sree251 We are not talking about the Crusader kingdom. The Levant in any contemporary context comprises most of the Middle East.

So yes it is relevant.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
So yes it is relevant.

Relevant in today's conversation but nothing to do with the biblical context.
@sree251 It is related because it covers the same geographical area.
AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
Just think, if the Ottomans had stayed out of World War 1 it would still belong to Turkey. And Turks killing Palestinians on a weekly basis would never make the news. Just like the Saudi war with Yemen only gets air time on a quiet day.
The Israel of the Bible is God's chosen people- those in Christ.

The-nation-that-calls-itself-Israel is a unique American evangelical obsession.

 
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