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Is Israel of the Bible the same as the one of the British Mandate?

The meaning of Israel and its cause of the Gaza war needs critical examination.

Israel, as the national home for the Jews, is a political invention. The concept of "Eretz Israel" (i.e. Land of Israel) and its re-establishment as a modern state was a basic tenet of the original Zionist program. Whereas Israel of the Jewish Bible refers to God’s people: those that he established a covenant with. For Christians, this points toward the new humanity created in Christ; citizens of the kingdom of God. As Jesus had said, his kingdom is not of this world.

And what do you say?

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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F

Of course it is a political creation, but what of that? Sadly the new humanity promised by Jesus did not survive the horrors of the 1940s.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@SunshineGirl That simply is not true. Christianity is alive and well and thriving. Sadly we humans have often decided to follow demons like Marx and thus we are prone to fits of destruction. Christianity will win in the end.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@SunshineGirl

Of course it is a political creation, but what of that? Sadly the new humanity promised by Jesus did not survive the horrors of the 1940s.

The new humanity promised by Jesus is not of this world in which there are political creations of evil by evil.

SunshineGirl · 36-40, F

@sree251 I understand it is not of this world. However, 10 million Israelis are of this world and require a home.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@SunshineGirl

I understand it is not of this world. However, 10 million Israelis are of this world and require a home.

If they really require a home of this world, tell them to go to San Francisco. It's better than killing people to get it.

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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@sree251 So what other religion needs its own nation? What other religion gets to kill anyone who stands in the way of the continuation and expansion of that religious nation?

sree251 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955

So what other religion needs its own nation?

None, as far as we know.

What other religion gets to kill anyone who stands in the way of the continuation and expansion of that religious nation?

Israel, as a national home for the Jews, is a political invention to fulfill the end time prophecy of the Hebrew Bible. American Christian Zionists support the killing in Gaza believing it as an advent to the coming of Christ at the end of the world destroyed by nuclear war. They view themselves as Japan's WW2 kamikazi pilots on a mission of no return.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@sree251 It is the result of careful manipulation of Zionist Jews and gullible Christians who read and believe the Zionist Bible AKA the Scofield Bible. Those of us who do not believe the Scofield Bible are not Zionists.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955

It is the result of careful manipulation of Zionist Jews and gullible Christians who read and believe the Zionist Bible AKA the Scofield Bible. Those of us who do not believe the Scofield Bible are not Zionists.

I don't know what the Scofield Bible is but it's best to chuck all biblical stuff written by Jews. The Nativity was written by Jews. It's a nice story for kids and that's where the mind-shaping propaganda begins.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@sree251 Yes the early Church was very Jewish.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955

Yes the early Church was very Jewish.

The Roman Catholic Church that emerged is more Jesus-centric. What is your opinion on its theology?

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@sree251 I'm not a Roman Catholic for many reasons. Jesus is not one of them

sree251 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955

I'm not a Roman Catholic for many reasons. Jesus is not one of them

The Catholic Church, as an organization in this world, does not have a good reputation. Apart from the Italian mafia, it is known to have connections with the CIA. Apart from its worldly links, it has provided guidance on the essence of Jesus' teaching.

No pope prior to John XXIII ever interpreted Scripture to suggest the Jews would return to Palestine as part of God’s plan. That interpretation was deemed Protestant, modernist, and eschatologically confused. Evangelical Christians today might gush over modern Israel like it’s the opening act to the Second Coming, the Catholic position differs.

When Theodor Herzl, the founder of political Zionism, met with Pope St. Pius X in 1904 to seek Catholic approval for a Jewish homeland in Palestine, he was firmly rebuffed. “We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem,” said the Holy Father, “but we could never sanction it.”

The Vatican considers Jerusalem as a Catholic city. It is sanctified not by Abraham or Moses, but by Christ Crucified and Risen. A political takeover by Jews who reject Christ would, in the eyes of the Church, be a spiritual tragedy—not a triumph.

Pius X was not being antisemitic. He was being Catholic. And that’s a distinction modern ears struggle to understand.

And you say?

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@sree251 Zionism was introduced into evangelical Christianity through a heretical study Bible authored by Zionist Jews. Many if not most evangelical Christians are now starting to walk away from that heresy and reflecting more and more the traditional Orthodox/Catholic/Mainstream understanding of Zionism. I consider myself a Kingdom Christian and I do not support the state that calls itself Israel any more than I support the USA or Canada or UK. No nation state is "of God". It is just a man made political entity.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@hippyjoe1955

I consider myself a Kingdom Christian and I do not support the state that calls itself Israel any more than I support the USA or Canada or UK. No nation state is "of God". It is just a man made political entity.

I agree, all nation states are man-made. They are selfish creations of the Devil for fomenting human conflict.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@sree251 They were created by God to serve a purpose. That doesn't mean I must support them. It means that God realised that truly free men will resort to evil and thus need some sort of constraint on them. That does not mean we must support them rather that we need to submit to them insofar as we can.