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Is Israel of the Bible the same as the one of the British Mandate?

The meaning of Israel and its cause of the Gaza war needs critical examination.

Israel, as the national home for the Jews, is a political invention. The concept of "Eretz Israel" (i.e. Land of Israel) and its re-establishment as a modern state was a basic tenet of the original Zionist program. Whereas Israel of the Jewish Bible refers to God’s people: those that he established a covenant with. For Christians, this points toward the new humanity created in Christ; citizens of the kingdom of God. As Jesus had said, his kingdom is not of this world.

And what do you say?
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@sree251 I saw only one side of a debate about Ashkenazi origins; used incognito mode to see who. It's dippyjoe; I celebrate the day he blocked me! Anyway, there's irrefutable DNA evidence that Ashkenazi have a genetic connection to the Middle-East AKA Levant. Not that the facts will matter to dippyjoe; he never cares about facts🤣😂

Due to the relative scarcity of relevant historical records, the ethnic origins of present-day Ashkenazi Jews are debated [2], and in such a setting, genetic data provides crucial information. A number of recent studies have shown that Ashkenazi individuals have genetic ancestry intermediate between European (EU) and Middle-Eastern (ME) sources [4–8], consistent with the long-held theory of a Levantine origin followed by partial assimilation in Europe. The estimated amount of accumulated EU gene flow varied across studies, with the most recent ones, employing genome-wide data, converging to a contribution of around 50% of the AJ ancestry [4, 7, 9].
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5380316/

Underhill, Bustamante and their co-authors analyzed the Y chromosome - a piece of the human genome invariably handed down father-to-son - of a set of Ashkenazi men claiming descent from Levi, the founder of one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. (Names such as Levy, Levine and Levitt, for example, bespeak a Levite heritage.)

If Ashkenazis were the spawn of Khazar royals, their DNA would show it. But those Y chromosomes were as Levantine as a levant sandwich. The same genetic "signature" popped up on every Levite sampled (as well as a significant number of non-Levite Ashkenazis), strongly implying descent from a single common ancestor who lived in the Fertile Crescent between 1,500 and 2,500 years ago. That signature is absent in the Y chromosomes of modern European non-Jewish men, and in male inhabitants of what was once Khazaria.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/insights/2013/12/new-genetic-study-more-evidence-for-modern-ashkenazi-jews-ancient-hebrew-patrimony.html
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
Anyway, there's irrefutable DNA evidence that Ashkenazi have a genetic connection to the Middle-East AKA Levant.

So, you have confirmation that European Jewry did not originate in Europe, and all Jews are Semites.
@sree251 Not me, these DNA researchers have the widespread DNA evidence
consistent with the long-held theory of a Levantine origin followed by partial assimilation in Europe. The estimated amount of accumulated EU gene flow varied across studies, with the most recent ones, employing genome-wide data, converging to a contribution of around 50% of the AJ ancestry

If you look at the sources I linked, they cite multiple DNA studies of the current Ashkenazi Jewish population, comparing DNA with European and Levant populations.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
If you look at the sources I linked, they cite multiple DNA studies of the current Ashkenazi Jewish population, comparing DNA with European and Levant populations.

I asked you a straightforward question: Do you or do you not have confirmation that European Jewry did not originate in Europe?
@sree251 Your question is constructed upon the fallacy of the excluded middle AKA false dichotomy. I tried to clarify and explain.

sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
Your question is constructed upon the fallacy of the excluded middle AKA false dichotomy. I tried to clarify and explain.

Try again. What is the "middle"? Askenazi Jews are either from Europe or they are not. I don't care if they came from China. We need to establish that they did not come from Europe.
@sree251 Read what I posted at the top. Pay particular attention to the section including the phrase
employing genome-wide data, converging to a contribution of around 50% of the AJ ancestry [4, 7, 9].
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@sree251 As I have already said, your question is constructed upon the fallacy of the excluded middle AKA false dichotomy. I have tried repeatedly to clarify and explain.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues
I have tried repeatedly to clarify and explain.

And that you have done with great earnestness and devotion on this chat site. You have a noble mission, Elwood.