Is Israel of the Bible the same as the one of the British Mandate?

@hippyjoe1955
Can you clarify this? Jews in Europe and the US are descendants of Jews regardless of the intermarriage. The white component does not count.


Christians supporting evil? Mike Huckabee, a devout evangelical Christian, is Israel's passionate defender. As an evangelical Christian yourself, can you explain Huckabee's rationale?

@sree251 Many Christians have been deceived by a heresy called dispensationalism. it started in the mid 1800s. You would have to know the modern history of the church but that time was ripe with speculation about the end of the world. JWs 7th Day Adventists, Mormons and Dispensationalists all got going during that time. Most Christians reject JWs and Adventists and Mormons but don't realise that they are just as deceived if they believe in dispensationalism which is basically the wave that brought about the state of Israel as we know it today. It is not the real state of Israel. There is a sect of Judaism that calls itself Askanazi Jews. They trace their ancestry back to a European tribe that converted to Judaism in the 9th century. They are not Semitic Jews and they did not descend from Abraham.

@hippyjoe1955
Thanks for the explanation. So, Huckabee is a charismatic Christian who speaks in tongues.


I did a quick check and find that the Askenazi Jew is a part of the diaspora. The Chinese also has a diaspora and all Chinese come from China. Therefore, all Jews come from the "Holy Lands" in the Middle East. The distinguishing feature is their common cultural tradition. The Askenazi Jew did not originate in Europe. His root is in the Middle East. This is undeniable. I grew up in New York and I know an American Jew when I see one even if he doesn't speak Yiddish or wear a yamulke. My favorite lunch place was the Jewish deli where I got my pastrami sandwich.

@sree251 No the Ashkenazi Jews were not part of the disporia. They are native to Europe going back to the time of Noah. Even their name is derived from Noah's grandson who did not descend from Shem. Abraham did descend from Shem so the two are distant cousins at best. I don't know that Huckabee is charismatic. I don't follow him but I heard that he was more Baptist than pentecostal. He is fully dispensationalist as are many in both of those streams of Christianity. As a Christian I am not dispensationalist and count anyone who is as one being deceived. Israel is Jesus and those in Him. Anyone not in Jesus is not of Israel no matter what they may say. If you think I am being anti Jewish you are very very mistaken. Many orthodox Jews do not support the nation that calls itself Israel. That nation is not any sort of lithmus test as to whether one is pro or anti Jew. It is simply a nation that is engaged in land theft and genocide. The sad part is that the Palestinians are legitimate descendants of Abraham and their ancestors never left the land in 70 AD. They simply converted to Christianity and some after that converted to Islam. A few remained Jewish as well.

@hippyjoe1955
What you say is what Wikipedia say about Askenazi Jewry. I would rather rely on my common sense and not get hijacked by propaganda. Researchers make guesses when deriving conclusions that get published as facts. Europeans are not Jews. The cultural identity of Jews are uniquely Jewish. Naturally, it is not possible to point to an American or German and state confidently that he is a Jew. I have often thought that Michael Douglas was a white guy. I can't tell if Clint Eastwood is a Jew or not. Elvis could be Jewish even though he was not.

@sree251 I didn't get that information from Wiki and no it is not propaganda. In fact the story you have heard is the real propaganda. Yes there was the Jewish disporia but the Jews from Palestine and the Jews from Europe are quite exclusive of each other.

@hippyjoe1955
Ok, let's study this question objectively so we both have the truth and not driven by propaganda.

First of all, do you agree that the single fact that is common to all Jews is the culture that sprung from Judaism?

Secondly, the Askenazi Jews of Europe do not necessarily practice orthodox Judaism and many of them are Reformed Jews. They follow a more palatable course by changing their way of worship in synagogues, making them more attractive to a generation whose aesthetic and moral taste became attuned to that of Christian surroundings. They intermarry with whites, adopt white names but retain Jewish identity no matter which parent is a gentile. This is the case of Michael Douglas who had a Jewish father (Kirk Douglas aka Issur Danielovitch) and a white mother, Diana Dill.

@sree251 I am not discussing faith practices. I am discussing genealogy. If you want to discuss faith practices then you very quickly realise that the promises made to Abraham etc are fulfilled in Christ and Christianity.

@hippyjoe1955
Abraham is of the Hebrew Bible, the book of the Jews. The teaching of Jesus (turning the other cheek) has nothing to do with Judaism (an eye for an eye). The latter foment human conflict and war. Jesus taught love and oneness of humanity.

@sree251 And???? Do you have a point to make? Christianity is the fulfilment of Judaism. Jews missed the boat as it were.

@sree251 They claim he will be here in 215 years.

@Diotrephes
Are you sure about that? Trump has only 3 more years before he loses access to the nuclear football. The next US President may not play ball.