@CountScrofula But the main condition of peace is that Ukraine surrenders territory that Russia isn't even controlling. That's not acceptable.

Ukraine joining NATO is irrelevant to Putin. He knows it will never happen.

@CountScrofula Thanks to putin's bungling russia's border with NATO has now more than doubled 😂

@CountScrofula says Do you have any confidence whatsoever that Russia will honor its end of a treaty, even if conditions are met? Let me remind you of a three-way treaty known as the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44

Again, given this history, do you have any confidence whatsoever that Russia will honor its end of a treaty, even if conditions are met?

@robertsnj I'd go a little further and say even most religious wars have an economic reason behind them. Religion is used as an excuse by the same old people who want more land, more power, and more mineral resources. Long before America became an expansionist empire under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy, Rome did it under the guise of spreading christianity.

@ItsMeMorgue depends, for examples, the Bosnian war had little economic value but high value for for the Chrisitan Islam class, Rwanda also a Christian Islam clash had little economic gain. The Armenian genocide (by Turkey) had little economics attached to it. Sri Lanka has violence from Buddhist seperatists and the Phillapines has the same friction from Muslim seperatists

@meJess Your entire premise is an American State Department talking point. It is objectively false. And you completely ignore all facts that don't fit your narrative.

And again, trying to resort to emotional manipulation by creating false comparisons to Hitler when Ukraine actually is a place where descendents of the Waffen SS and OUN thrive.

Where Canada honours Nazi war criminals in support of Ukraine.


And you made both claims that Russia supposedly wants space and resources when there is zero evidence of that. In fact Ukrainian resources have been plundered by the West. Zelensky violated the Ukrainian constitution to sell of their farm land to American and European Agricultural conglomerates. The US and UK are fighting over Ukrainian mines so the only side that fits your WW2 fantasy is the west here.

Russia needs natural resources about as much as Saudi Arabia needs sand.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow wow is everything about Nazis for you?

@sstronaut I'd be careful charging in with facts. You're likely to annoy @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow.

@LordShadowfire Lying again. And that again is not what a strawman means. 😂

@LordShadowfire He sure has a funny way of saying he has no evidence.

@ItsMeMorgue He sure does.

@TexChik Putin doesn't often tell the truth, to be fair. But, you never know. It's a moot point anyway.

Like you would know?

@TexChik I don't. But it's a moot point as he was not president when Putin invaded so we'll never know.

@ItsMeMorgue you say invade. Sane ppl say the liberation of pro Russian Ukrainians being slaughtered

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout I can't sp[eak for Biden but the neither the EU nor any of its two dozen constituent, separate countries wanted to "antagonise" Putin at all. Indeed, one, Hungary, is even rather pro-Putin.

That idea is just anti-European, US propaganda.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow provide links to actual evidence to back up your claims then, including this live-streaming on Facebook, instead of shrieking. I’ll wait. Unless of course “they” have removed all vestiges of it…

@G7J2O I have provided sources. You have provided exactly none. Just declared your opinions are supported by "experts" that apparently don't exist.


And the comment about a livestream was to point out the absurdity of you having an issue with statements being made by someone who was actually there being past tense.

That is literally how all individual accounts of historical events happen.

So you are just looking to invalidate anything that doesn't fit your ideology no matter how flimsy and silly the dismissal.

@G7J2O Yet another Ukrainian government official comes out clearly stating Boris Johnson killed the Istanbul accords and threatened Zelensky with isolation (sanctions) if they did not walk away and fight Russia.


And both Merkel and Hollande both admitted that the Minsk Agreements were signed in bad faith to build up an army in Ukraine for a war with Russia.

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@Roundandroundwego Wow, okay! The invading Russians who took over Ukraine and almost blew up a nuclear power plant did nothing wrong!

@ArishMell UN rules and international law allow Russ to invade Ukraine to protect civilians. Which they did.
That's understandable for everyone but russo-phobes

@Roundandroundwego Okay. So sending troops in to relocate Ukrainian citizens within Russia, take over a nuclear power plant and almost blow it up, and claim huge parts of Ukraine for Russia with all for the protection of their civilians. Great job. I'm sure your medal from Putin is in the mail.

@Pikachu lol well you do have a peculiar way don't you.

@MasterLee

lol thought not

@Pikachu no you do. You definitely do. It is unfortunate.

On the whole, putin has not lied to me. Unlike the democrats who wouldn't allow the truth to approach from any direction.

@Roundandroundwego that’s what you did

@TurtlePink echoes. Sad.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow So, the fact that Russian troops now occupy huge parts of Ukraine and aren't letting them go, that means it wasn't an invasion?