Do you believe Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump was president at the time?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow British "colony"? Hardly!

American? I can't speak for the USA but Britain has not colonised Ukraine at all. It gave up colonising a very long time ago,in the 19C.

I can't even think of any "English oligarchs" however you define them; but there are plenty of US equivalents spending the last fifty and more years buying anything they can of foreign countries, including British assets.

@ArishMell Try again. The Ukrainian government admitted that the Maidan coup was carried out with the CIA and MI6. They bragged about it.

Boris Johnson himself was in Kiev meddling and even threatened the Zelensky government if they tried to ratify the Istanbul peace deal with Russia in 2022.

Zelensky also handed over most Ukrainian mineral rights to London.

Just because it no longer required a garrison of red coats doesn't mean it is not colonialism.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow No they didn't. No evidence for this. If there is, please share it.

False. This was pro-Kremlin propaganda. According to those involved in negotiations, the Ukrainian side had already decided, before Johnson’s visit, that they wouldn’t sign.

False. In the real world, the mining‑resources agreement involves the US, not (just) the UK. Even then, it’s a revenue‑sharing/cooperation framework,not a surrender of ownership of Ukraine’s natural resources.

@G7J2O The first point Jeffrey Sachs who was literally in the room talked about people like Klitschko bragging that MI6 was involved and Victoria Neuland is on tape handpicking the coup junta.


Second point is bold claiming the Ukrainian officials said the exact opposite of what they actually did. Many of them resigned over Zelensky selling out their country after the Johnson browbeating. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

And your last statement is also false.

Again you have opinions and nothing to support it.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow OK first..

The claim that MI6 was involved in the Maidan coup and Klitschko bragged about it has no credible evidence behind it. You know it, I know it. There is no public record of Klitschko ever saying anything about MI6, and reputable researchers consider such stories part of well-known disinformation narratives.

The only verified foreign-involvement evidence is the leaked 2014 call between Nuland and the U.S. ambassador, where they discussed who they thought should be in Ukraine’s next government, but that does not show Western intelligence planning or running the uprising.

The broader idea that the 2014 Revolution of Dignity was a Western-orchestrated coup is also contradicted by extensive reporting: it was a mass, domestic uprising involving hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, not a secret MI6 or CIA operation. Jeffrey Sachs has repeated claims he heard from individuals after the fact, but those statements are unverified anecdotes, not evidence of an intelligence-run overthrow. In short: there’s a kernel of truth around diplomats talking politics, and there's no doubt the West supported the uprising but the MI6 coup story is BS.

Your second point. Wrong again. The idea that Boris Johnson killed the 2022 Istanbul peace talks by threatening Zelenskyy isn’t supported by the people actually involved. Zelenskyy has publicly called the claim illogical, and the Ukrainian negotiatorsincluding Arakhamia, whose comments are often misrepresented, made it clear that Kyiv had already decided the terms Russia wanted were unacceptable before Johnson arrived. There’s zero evidence of officials “resigning in protest,” and this narrative has been repeatedly identified as a distorted or propagandised version of events.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but the verified record does not support the claim that Johnson forced Ukraine to abandon a ready-to-sign peace deal.

And as for my third, provide evidence as to why it's false :)

@G7J2O Everything you have said is just parrot decade old US and NATO propaganda to the point that you have even accused the Ukrainian government of Russian propaganda.

Klitchko was one of the leaders of the coup. You pretending he was just some random off the street that doesn't matter isn't going to change the facts.

And what evidence? There is never evidence of conversations in rooms unless you get caught on tape like Victoria Neuland.

And there are no researchers involved here. You just pretending to be an authority. Speaks volumes that you have zero sources for anything.


You are also deliberately lying about the 2014 Victoria Neuland call. She hand picked the government. This was never some casual discussion as you are deliberately trying to misrepresent it as.


Literally nobody has claimed that western intelligence orchestrated the protests. That is not how it works. Protests are co-opted or used as pretexts to orchestrate a coup.


And yes, Jeffrey Sachs a respected economist who was recruited because they wanted him to help them loot Ukraine like what was done to Russia under Yeltsin since he was mixed up in that in the 90s too.


So first hand accounts are relevant. I am sorry that not livestreaming it on Facebook is not good enough for you. In all seriousness all accounts like this throughout history are always after the fact. That is how it has always worked.

The initial protest was a domestic protest but the actual coup was carried out after a peaceful agreement had already been worked out and the next day far right militias supported by the west stormed government buildings and seized the country.

MI6 themselves have made statements that shortly after the coup they rebuilt the SBU in their own image. I guess according to you they just appeared in Kiev by magic to accomplish that.



Repeating western propaganda about the Istanbul accords which was contradicted by members of the Ukrainian government doesn't make you correct. And you seriously expect Zelensky would admit to corruption and selling out his country to the west? His statements have the least credibility of all. That is like asking Bernie Madoff or SBF if they scammed people. Nobody is going to admit it.

I never claimed MI6 carried out the coup themselves. I said they were mixed up in the American coup. That is simply factual. The UK has been the junior partner for decades.

That is why Boris Johnson was sent to Kiev as the American's errand boy. And you conveniently ignore the fact that Johnson had no other reason to even be there during that period.

That is like claiming Victoria Neuland was just in Kiev to hand out cookies.

But you don't need facts when you can just declare anything inconvenient "Russian propaganda."


And you keep lying about a "verified record" that does not exist and you cannot back up with sources.


I am done wasting my time with someone who has no interest in a good faith discussion and just parrots back half truths and propaganda.


I guess Ukraine magically became an American proxy from Victoria Neuland's magical cookies.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow provide links to actual evidence to back up your claims then, including this live-streaming on Facebook, instead of shrieking. I’ll wait. Unless of course “they” have removed all vestiges of it…

@G7J2O I have provided sources. You have provided exactly none. Just declared your opinions are supported by "experts" that apparently don't exist.


And the comment about a livestream was to point out the absurdity of you having an issue with statements being made by someone who was actually there being past tense.

That is literally how all individual accounts of historical events happen.

So you are just looking to invalidate anything that doesn't fit your ideology no matter how flimsy and silly the dismissal.

@G7J2O Yet another Ukrainian government official comes out clearly stating Boris Johnson killed the Istanbul accords and threatened Zelensky with isolation (sanctions) if they did not walk away and fight Russia.


And both Merkel and Hollande both admitted that the Minsk Agreements were signed in bad faith to build up an army in Ukraine for a war with Russia.

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