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Just How Close Was the 2024 Presidential Election?

Electoral Votes *
312 Trump
226 Harris
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*270 needed to win

Popular Vote
77,302,580 Trump
75,017,613 Harris

% of the Popular Vote
49.8% Trump
48.3% Harris

Pennsylvania
3,543,308 ... 50.37% Trump
3,423,042 ... 48.66% Harris
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120,266 - a flip of 60,134 votes gives Harris the state's 19 electoral votes

Michigan
2,816,636 ... 49.73% Trump
2,736,533 ... 48.31% Harris
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70,103 - a flip of 25,052 votes gives Harris the state's 15 electoral votes

Wisconsin
1,697,626 ... 49.60% Trump
1,668,229 ... 48.74% Harris
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29,387 - a flip of 14,699 votes gives Harris the state's 10 electoral votes

A flip of 99,885 votes in the above three states as noted would have given Harris 44 more electoral votes - and the presidency, 270-268.
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luckranger71 · 51-55, M Best Comment
Despite the popular narrative, an argument can be made that Harris made this race closer than it should have been. Inflation (whether one attributes it to the pandemic or to the Biden administration) had been an issue for most of the previous 4 years. Historically incumbent administrations lose with high inflation, even more so than unemployment.

The fact that it was this close and she had been running only since July against a guy that survived an assassination attempt demonstrates how limited Trump’s popularity is. Institutions (like the universities cratering to Trump) should be emboldened rather than accommodating with this administration.
Sure. Delude yourself. @luckranger71

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Any way you might look at this Harris might have lost. Yet I still think the electoral system is totally undemocratic.

The electoral system totally violates the DEMOCRATIC principle of "one man one vote". And gives power to the wealthy through PACS. Which in turn influence the votes of the people.

Remove the electorial system as well as PACS, you will have a fair and democratic system, instead of a unfair REPUBLIC.

And to the ignorant. This is not socialism, this is about democracy and nothing else.

A social democracy would remove even states rights in the tenth amendment.

Yeah I knew the ignorant would show up. The last was for the ignorant down vote.
I used that wording from lack of knowledge. Is it more like different internet “bands” (I’m sure that not the correct term). @DeWayfarer
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@DeWayfarer @jackjjackson

[media=https://youtu.be/pTG_6ypYSS4]
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@beckyromero Literally hundreds of thousands of people had a hand in the Internet. And not just in the USA only.

It's like I had a very small part in the MPEG video format. Yet I didn't invent the format.
RedBaron · M
I remember a lot of this in 2016, when people were whining and moaning about Hillary having won the popular vote.

But everyone agrees to play by the rules of the Electoral College system, so the popular vote is only tangentially relevant and the electoral vote is what actually matters.

In each case, Trump unfortunately won fair and square, and the woulda coulda shoulda stuff doesn’t matter now. 🤷‍♂

PS - The same thing happened in reverse in 2020, where a flip of a similar number of votes in swing states would have given Trump the presidency.

That’s exactly why they’re called swing states.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@MyGirlPhotoswell
Yes, the narrative in 2020 was Biden won by 8 million votes when actually over 7.9 million of those votes were in California.

Don't know what narrative that's from. 😂

Joseph R. Biden, DEM 11,110,250 . . . 63.5%
Donald J. Trump, REP 6,006,429 . . . .34.3%

https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-general/sov/complete-sov.pdf
see page 8

Sure, it was a close election. And Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania were the critical states that won it for Biden.

But Trump received over 6 million votes in California.
MyGirlPhotoswell · 61-69, M
My mistake, 7 million vote victory. Even after it was settled that 3 states decided the victory for Biden, much of the same narrative was "Biden won by over 7 million votes" ....


Dec.1 2020- CNN--------Biden’s popular vote margin over Trump tops 7 million--
Washington
CNN

President-elect Joe Biden’s margin over President Donald Trump in the nationwide popular vote is now more than 7 million votes and may continue to grow as several states continue counting votes.

Election fraud that could change the election outcome with over a 7 million vote margin would be an impossible undertaking.



If you didn't know that was much of the narrative immediately following the 2020 election to dispel Trumps claims of voter fraud, then you weren't paying attention... I'm not defending nor promoting Trump's claim of election fraud, I'm pointing out how the media manipulates data we receive to push a narrative. And you know I'm correct.

You can search and find much of the same narrative from AP, BBC, CBS, Cable News, etc,etc, etc. .
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@MyGirlPhotoswell
I'm not defending nor promoting Trump's claim of election fraud, I'm pointing out how the media manipulates data we receive to push a narrative.

You're trying to push a narrative that Biden's edge in the popular vote was due to California, as if it somehow delegitimizes his victory.

California happens to be part of the United States. And Biden's large victory there were no different that Trump's large victories in Texas, Florida and other states.

Biden winning the national popular vote AND the Electoral Vote wasn't something reported on the account of "manipulated data."

The FACT remains that Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania swung all three of the last presidential elections by narrow margins.

As Ronald Reagan, quoting John Adams, said, "Facts are stubborn things."
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
Not sure if this post is about regret, wishful thinking, or real insight. But whatever it is, it falls short of grasping the deep mistrust more & more voters feel toward both parties - And their chosen candidates.




@GuiltyBiStander tgus post seems to uninvite your politics. Thanks for trying.
@GuiltyBiStander It's so sad that if "didn't vote" was a candidate, they would have won.
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@BohemianBabe

True.

Not a Dem, but fact is we all lost something in this election.
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@Roundandroundwego

Right.

Independents are always "univited" to the usual online partisan smackfests.

But we don't care. And we don't drink Koolaid - no matter who's serving.

That is heartbreakingly close.
Close but no cigar. Sorry.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Sojournersoul

Like the saying goes,

"Close only counts in horseshoes and nuclear war."

@beckyromero Well i think we should stick with hand grenades.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Could have, would have, should have.

Look at total voters in each of the states and proportionality. If the had voted, who would have won?
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2
Look at total voters in each of the states and proportionality. If the had voted, who would have won?

We don't know. Because many of the people who don't vote are the same people who don't respond to pollster's questions.

Both parties like to assume that if everyone voted, their party would have won. But there's no way to draw a solid conclusion without evidence.
JSul3 · 70-79
Trump got 49% of the vote.
That's not a majority in any math class, and far from a mandate.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@JSul3 Correct. He does not have a mandate. What he has is a slim majority in congress who are enablers.
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
@wildland

Voter turnout (57.8%) was higher in 2024 than in both Obama's re-election in 2012 and Trump's election in 2016.

It didn't match 2020's turnout because of the increase in mail-in ballots used during the Covid pandemic.

In fact, since 21-year olds were given the right to vote in 1972, the only presidential election years in which turnout was higher than 2024 was in 2008 and 2020.
Not very close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades and popular vote doesn't matter the electoral college does
RedBaron · M
@beckyromero I blame Biden more than Harris. He had business to honor his promise to serve only one term and to step aside before the election cycle commenced.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@RedBaron
I blame Biden more than Harris. He had business to honor his promise to serve only one term ...

Biden never made such a pledge or promise.
@beckyromero not many do
the electoral college is problematic
@MyGirlPhotoswell we are a "Democratic Republic" and tho it has been years I did read the federalist founding documents
the author of that video is a College professor with significant education
and YES every 10 years, the numbers are adjusted
but the math is clear
one can win an electoral vote tally with about 22% of the popular vote
watch it again,,and pause when you get to a sticking point
then do the fact checking yourself

the candidate that wins the plurality gets ALL of the electoral votes
there may be some states that do not do this
but i am unaware of any'
and the smaller states are over represented in the electoral votes

here is a different explanation'
[media=https://youtu.be/ajavsMbCapY]
MyGirlPhotoswell · 61-69, M
@SatyrService We are not a "democratic republic", We are a Constitutional Republic. Starting in the 20th century after World War II, many countries used the term "democratic republic" in their official names—most of which were Marxist–Stalinist , or socialist, one-party states.

This insistence that the U.S is anything other than a Constitutional Republic is an assault on the very founding principals of the United States of America, and is a very dangerous and perilous path we are being convinced to follow..
@MyGirlPhotoswell say more about that.
we practice democracy
and are a republic, a nation run for the benfit of its citizens. from Latin "res publica"
and when in our history were we not practicing a democratic process
the founders were o f many opinions,
jefferson vs hamilton moderated and mediated by Madison
tell me more about this perilous path
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I remember when Elon said it would be easy to tamper with the voting system
Captainjackass · 31-35, M
And how many of those votes were created by russia and china?
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@Captainjackass And illegals
Captainjackass · 31-35, M
@eli1601 awww who’s the angry little racist.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
It's time to de-trump (Cry-Baby-trump) America.
Please provide the same data for Biden’s win in those states.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@jackjjackson

A little closer, like 2016. Same three states.
So if we want real input we need to move to one of those. Oops I’m already in one and and have won two out of three 🇺🇸 @beckyromero

 
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