SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Now we go into trillions dollars more into debt, the middle class completely disappears and we go into developing world status rather than developed world status. I wish every developing world prosperity but that's not what is going to happen here.
We're going to lose our status and that's okay, I hear us Americans wanted to stop being consumers and go back to the 16 hour coal mining, coal lung days that we'll get our wish surely.
It's what we voted for, congrats Americans 👏 🙌 💕
We're going to lose our status and that's okay, I hear us Americans wanted to stop being consumers and go back to the 16 hour coal mining, coal lung days that we'll get our wish surely.
It's what we voted for, congrats Americans 👏 🙌 💕
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Rolexeo
These markers are tracked by the UN and economists. The U.S. is slipping in developed world rankings by multiple indicators... wealth inequality, maternal mortality, education, etc.
A lot of our issues are only found in those places.
Developing country is a classification based on things like wealth distribution, health outcomes, and infrastructure. This is what I've alway meant.
Yes good for you that you don't take it seriously. Regardless, the trajectory will continue because we don't seem to care either way. Sorry but facts.
First off, Trump came right out and did a whole bunch of propaganda that he wanted his reign to be the next gilded age. A bunch of republicans are on board with it and said likewise.
When politicians push policies that dismantle labor protections which is already being done and idolize the Gilded Age, an age notorious for exploitative hours and conditions, that’s the logical outcome. The poor have to make up the gap somehow, they have to. Who else would do it??
This time period was great for the rich, it was very bad for the poor.
I’m not calling you an apologist to insult you. It’s just that whenever Trump is criticized, you seem to jump in defending him. That pattern comes off as apologism to me. Normally people who have issues with what Trump is doing wouldn't fight so hard for him.
Let me know when Democrats ban the big book of cats and thousands of other books.
The scale and impact is not the same thing.
It's not that at all, it's because this is what happens to people affected by trump's decisions. These are real people and real stories. There's tons like that. These are the real consequences and I feel like it's important people know.
1. Money has less value, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a hyperbolic statement.
These markers are tracked by the UN and economists. The U.S. is slipping in developed world rankings by multiple indicators... wealth inequality, maternal mortality, education, etc.
A lot of our issues are only found in those places.
2. Now you're moving the goalpost to developing country in regards to inequality and democracy, you didn't specify that before. Regardless I don't take such a thing seriously. What that even means is vague.
Developing country is a classification based on things like wealth distribution, health outcomes, and infrastructure. This is what I've alway meant.
Yes good for you that you don't take it seriously. Regardless, the trajectory will continue because we don't seem to care either way. Sorry but facts.
3. Did he specifically say he wants 16 hour work days back? Why are you blaming slave labor only on the right? Rich democrats favor it too.
First off, Trump came right out and did a whole bunch of propaganda that he wanted his reign to be the next gilded age. A bunch of republicans are on board with it and said likewise.
When politicians push policies that dismantle labor protections which is already being done and idolize the Gilded Age, an age notorious for exploitative hours and conditions, that’s the logical outcome. The poor have to make up the gap somehow, they have to. Who else would do it??
This time period was great for the rich, it was very bad for the poor.
4. Ok, why are you bringing up science like I'm a Trump apologist, obviously that's bad.
I’m not calling you an apologist to insult you. It’s just that whenever Trump is criticized, you seem to jump in defending him. That pattern comes off as apologism to me. Normally people who have issues with what Trump is doing wouldn't fight so hard for him.
5. I was talking about book bannings when I said cancel culture.
But when people say "cancel culture on both sides, " it often overlooks scale and impact. Republicans have been behind hundreds of book bans across multiple states. If Democrats were banning books at that level, it’d be just as concerning, but that’s not what’s happening right now.Let me know when Democrats ban the big book of cats and thousands of other books.
The scale and impact is not the same thing.
6. You sound like a politician with these pulling on heart strings stories.
It's not that at all, it's because this is what happens to people affected by trump's decisions. These are real people and real stories. There's tons like that. These are the real consequences and I feel like it's important people know.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Reason10 🔎 Why would it raise national debt?
➡ Because the government still spends the same (or more), but collects less revenue.
Imagine your household:
Income: $5,000/month
Expenses: $5,000/month
New tax cut (less income): Now you earn $4,000/month
Expenses stay at $5,000/month ➡
You borrow $1,000/month ➡
Your debt increases.
📊 Actual impact of the 2017 tax cuts
The Congressional Budget Office projected it would increase deficits by ~$1.9 trillion over 10 years (CBO Report).
There was no offset through spending cuts or alternative revenue increases.
Proponents argued it would pay for itself through growth. In practice, economic growth increased slightly but not enough to
⚠ Long-term effect on middle class and economy
Rising debt can lead to higher interest payments, reducing money available for public programs.
Future governments may raise taxes or cut services to manage debt.
Excessive debt can also affect economic stability and interest rates long-term✨
Summary (simple)
✅ The bill lowered taxes ➡
✅ Less money coming into the government ➡
✅ Spending stayed the same or increased ➡
✅ Government had to borrow to cover the gap ➡
✅ Debt increases.
Let’s unpack what other policies in “the Big Beautiful Bill” could raise debt, assuming we’re talking about:
🇺🇸 Trump’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) + associated policies
1. Corporate tax cuts
Reduced rate from 35% to 21%.
Meant to stimulate business growth and investment.
Result: Less corporate tax revenue ➡ higher deficits if growth doesn’t offset the loss.
🔎 2. Individual income tax cuts
Reduced tax rates across brackets.
Increased standard deduction.
Result: Immediate reduction in government revenue.
🔎 3. Repatriation tax holiday (international profits)
Companies allowed to bring back overseas profits at a lower tax rate (one-time).
Result: Short-term revenue boost but reduced long-term potential tax intake from these profits.
🔎 4. Increased military spending (under Trump budgets)
The tax cuts were passed alongside budgets that increased defense spending significantly.
More spending + less revenue = higher deficits and debt.
🔎 5. Limited offsets or spending cuts
The bill did not include spending cuts significant enough to balance the revenue loss.
Without offsets, the government borrows to cover the difference
🔎 6. Expanded interest payments on debt
Higher deficits increase national debt.
Debt carries interest payments, so as debt grows, interest payments also grow, taking up a larger portion of the federal budget.✨ In simple terms:
✅ Lower taxes (less money coming in)
✅ Increased spending (more money going out)
✅ No major spending cuts to offset it
➡ Result: Larger annual deficits ➡ growing national debt⚠ Why some argue it’s okay
Proponents claim that:
Tax cuts stimulate economic growth.
Growth expands the tax base and eventually increases revenue.
⚠ Why some argue it’s okay
Proponents claim that:
Tax cuts stimulate economic growth.
Growth expands the tax base and eventually increases revenue.
❌ Why critics disagree
Historically, growth rarely offsets the full revenue loss, especially when cuts are heavily weighted toward corporations or high-income earners.
📌 Summary
Other policies in the bill (beyond tax cuts) – such as higher defense spending and lack of budget cuts – compound debt increases. It wasn’t only tax changes, but the overall fiscal package that raised deficits and long-term debt.
➡ Because the government still spends the same (or more), but collects less revenue.
Imagine your household:
Income: $5,000/month
Expenses: $5,000/month
New tax cut (less income): Now you earn $4,000/month
Expenses stay at $5,000/month ➡
You borrow $1,000/month ➡
Your debt increases.
📊 Actual impact of the 2017 tax cuts
The Congressional Budget Office projected it would increase deficits by ~$1.9 trillion over 10 years (CBO Report).
There was no offset through spending cuts or alternative revenue increases.
Proponents argued it would pay for itself through growth. In practice, economic growth increased slightly but not enough to
⚠ Long-term effect on middle class and economy
Rising debt can lead to higher interest payments, reducing money available for public programs.
Future governments may raise taxes or cut services to manage debt.
Excessive debt can also affect economic stability and interest rates long-term✨
Summary (simple)
✅ The bill lowered taxes ➡
✅ Less money coming into the government ➡
✅ Spending stayed the same or increased ➡
✅ Government had to borrow to cover the gap ➡
✅ Debt increases.
Let’s unpack what other policies in “the Big Beautiful Bill” could raise debt, assuming we’re talking about:
🇺🇸 Trump’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) + associated policies
1. Corporate tax cuts
Reduced rate from 35% to 21%.
Meant to stimulate business growth and investment.
Result: Less corporate tax revenue ➡ higher deficits if growth doesn’t offset the loss.
🔎 2. Individual income tax cuts
Reduced tax rates across brackets.
Increased standard deduction.
Result: Immediate reduction in government revenue.
🔎 3. Repatriation tax holiday (international profits)
Companies allowed to bring back overseas profits at a lower tax rate (one-time).
Result: Short-term revenue boost but reduced long-term potential tax intake from these profits.
🔎 4. Increased military spending (under Trump budgets)
The tax cuts were passed alongside budgets that increased defense spending significantly.
More spending + less revenue = higher deficits and debt.
🔎 5. Limited offsets or spending cuts
The bill did not include spending cuts significant enough to balance the revenue loss.
Without offsets, the government borrows to cover the difference
🔎 6. Expanded interest payments on debt
Higher deficits increase national debt.
Debt carries interest payments, so as debt grows, interest payments also grow, taking up a larger portion of the federal budget.✨ In simple terms:
✅ Lower taxes (less money coming in)
✅ Increased spending (more money going out)
✅ No major spending cuts to offset it
➡ Result: Larger annual deficits ➡ growing national debt⚠ Why some argue it’s okay
Proponents claim that:
Tax cuts stimulate economic growth.
Growth expands the tax base and eventually increases revenue.
⚠ Why some argue it’s okay
Proponents claim that:
Tax cuts stimulate economic growth.
Growth expands the tax base and eventually increases revenue.
❌ Why critics disagree
Historically, growth rarely offsets the full revenue loss, especially when cuts are heavily weighted toward corporations or high-income earners.
📌 Summary
Other policies in the bill (beyond tax cuts) – such as higher defense spending and lack of budget cuts – compound debt increases. It wasn’t only tax changes, but the overall fiscal package that raised deficits and long-term debt.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
the doomsayers haven't factored in the 88 Billion dollars already collected in tariffs..
in only 6 months..
ppl should try being positive instead of taking the automaniac oppositional stance on trump policies!...
in only 6 months..
ppl should try being positive instead of taking the automaniac oppositional stance on trump policies!...
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout yes, gahead. Chicken little is against us!
BLP11520 · 61-69, M
BLP11520 · 61-69, M
Yes 👍👍
Convivial · 26-30, F
The rich get richer, staff shortages in low paying jobs, and tariffs put the price of everything up
Shybutwilling2bfriends · 61-69
Total chaos
Pfuzylogic · M
After screwed by the tariffs, we can only wait for mid term elections. I did enjoy seeing the republicans make donnie earn his votes.
For now just count the graves, obviously the 1 million dead from the pandemic wasn’t enough.
For now just count the graves, obviously the 1 million dead from the pandemic wasn’t enough.
meJess · F
We should be pleased that Bill is seen as beautiful even though he is big
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Now I lose my Medicaid and my food stamps, I guess.
It's okay. I have no right to live.
It's okay. I have no right to live.
If they continue down the path they choose today...... Soon all seniors will be forced to move in with their adult children.......
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
You vote for the Democrats at mid terms and in 2028 like last time, and the Dems refuse to repeal the tax cuts and never restore the Medicaid or food funding, like last time.
As a socialist I curse you for voting for no change, like last time and you keep dying off like now. Normal.
As a socialist I curse you for voting for no change, like last time and you keep dying off like now. Normal.
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KaysHealingPath · 36-40, F
@Reason10 why Venezuela and not Denmark? Switzerland?
Very prosperous countries, under SOCIALISM
Ah but wait socialism = evil.
Evil is though what the U.S. did to Venezuela to destabilize it and basically destroy the very good economy and living they USED to have there. And now they want to cry that those people that the U.S. has basically been starving to death want to come here to work so they can feed their families….
Oh the horror, brown people that want to work to feed their children,
Very prosperous countries, under SOCIALISM
Ah but wait socialism = evil.
Evil is though what the U.S. did to Venezuela to destabilize it and basically destroy the very good economy and living they USED to have there. And now they want to cry that those people that the U.S. has basically been starving to death want to come here to work so they can feed their families….
Oh the horror, brown people that want to work to feed their children,
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Vin53 · M
The whippings begin
gregloa · 61-69, M
No taxes on tips or overtime.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
A lot of poor people are going to die.
@houseonfire Overwhelmingly, the rapists and murderers are U.S. born citizens.
You mention the "fabric of our country". What does that fabric mean to you? How do you define it? For me it means civil rights, human rights, equality. It sure as hell does not mean a police state, dictators above the law, and racism.
You mention the "fabric of our country". What does that fabric mean to you? How do you define it? For me it means civil rights, human rights, equality. It sure as hell does not mean a police state, dictators above the law, and racism.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@houseonfire She lives with me now as my caretaker and I was over there last year to visit the family.
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come2gether · 46-50, M
Now we wait and see; is it going to be good, or bad
come2gether · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato one can't just say something is bad, that's all the media has been saying. I'm not going to parrot the media. This is why I'm taking the time to try to learn what it actually is and does or does not. Blaring headlines are extremely biased. I just want to understand it before I decide.
Remember how marketplace insurance was jammed down on us as a good thing? It wasn't. So, I want to really know what this does.
Remember how marketplace insurance was jammed down on us as a good thing? It wasn't. So, I want to really know what this does.
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Reason10 · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes eh, every president since Nixon has been overspending. It's a matter of what the economy does
Interesting that you bring Nixon into this. The last time the federal budget was balanced was in 1969, during the VIETNAM WAR. Defense was the largest item in the budget.
But Nixon is the one responsible. He signed the Budget And Impoundment Control Act of 1974. Basically that law put ENTITLEMENT SPENDING on automatic increase every year. And that is the reason why WELFARE is the LARGEST item on the federal budget today.
Interesting that you bring Nixon into this. The last time the federal budget was balanced was in 1969, during the VIETNAM WAR. Defense was the largest item in the budget.
But Nixon is the one responsible. He signed the Budget And Impoundment Control Act of 1974. Basically that law put ENTITLEMENT SPENDING on automatic increase every year. And that is the reason why WELFARE is the LARGEST item on the federal budget today.
calicuz · 56-60, M
Did we really expect it not to pass?
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@calicuz now what? You nailed it. That's the bipartisanly acceptable plan, faced with things as they are! Nothing.
What would I expect? Lolz. Make me an offer.
What would I expect? Lolz. Make me an offer.
@calicuz I actually did... I knew some destructive version would pass eventually, but thought it would be watered down at least a little more before both chambers agreed.
But I guess everyone was assured they wouldn't have to face the voters in a few months anymore.
But I guess everyone was assured they wouldn't have to face the voters in a few months anymore.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The cuts to Medicaid, which may leave an additional 12m Americans without healthcare coverage, are not due to take effect until after the midterm elections, so the wretches who voted for this bill will evade responsibility for their actions.
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl The cuts to Medicaid, which may leave an additional 12m Americans without healthcare coverage, are not due to take effect until after the midterm elections, so the wretches who voted for this bill will evade responsibility for their actions.
Nope.
The 12 million who will lose healthcare coverage are ILLEGAL ALIENS. They aren't entitled to our WELFARE. They will be sent back to where they came from.
NO legitimate American recipient of Medicaid will lose ANY benefits whatsoever.
Nope.
The 12 million who will lose healthcare coverage are ILLEGAL ALIENS. They aren't entitled to our WELFARE. They will be sent back to where they came from.
NO legitimate American recipient of Medicaid will lose ANY benefits whatsoever.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Reason10 Totally incorrect. There will be a $1trn reduction in Medicaid over 10 years. The cuts are will be achieved by linking entitlement to new work requirements. So obviously this has nothing to do with "illegal aliens".
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Vin53 · M
And now the debt is increased by nearly 4trill.
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AlienTheExtraterrestrial · 36-40, F
Ducky · 31-35, F
The rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, that’s what.
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Liberal tears.. like Niagara 🍿🤓
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout There’ll be plenty of MAGA tears too when Trump voters get kicked off their health insurance. But that’s okay, as long as you’re hurting liberals it’s all good.
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@Reason10 Yeah, clearly you haven't paid attention to the bill and only focusing on one area while totally ignoring the parts where it raises the debt more than Obama or Biden did...
And stealing from the poor, and items that service the people, to pay the rich.
But you want to ignore reality and just blindly emotional attack those that you hate instead of waking up to reality that Trump is helping himself more than he's helping the American people.
Have fun paying more in taxes, and having the large increase in debt in American history, which you support, and the debt is now more Trump's fault than Obama or Biden.
And stealing from the poor, and items that service the people, to pay the rich.
But you want to ignore reality and just blindly emotional attack those that you hate instead of waking up to reality that Trump is helping himself more than he's helping the American people.
Have fun paying more in taxes, and having the large increase in debt in American history, which you support, and the debt is now more Trump's fault than Obama or Biden.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@Pretzel she sure died that way! LolZ.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@EarthGirl Well, the second part of that setence is cause for optimism at least.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
To pay for war?