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Impact of Project 2025 on European Partners

As far as I can see, Project 2025, spearheaded by the Heritage Foundation, proposes consolidating executive power in the U.S., which could significantly impact European partners. The plan suggests a potential reduction in U.S. commitment to NATO, compelling European countries to enhance their own defense capabilities and increase military spending. This shift could strain transatlantic relations as Europe adjusts to a diminished U.S. role in its security framework.

Economically, Project 2025’s policies could lead to reduced cooperation on climate change initiatives, affecting global climate goals. Politically, Europe might seek to strengthen ties both internally and with individual U.S. states to mitigate the effects of a more isolationist U.S. administration.

What do you think about this?

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

I mean it's a takeover plan by theocratic fascists I don't think it's a good thing.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@CountScrofula But the Heritage Foundation are 'libertarians'.

/s

Richard65 · M

As an aside, I saw these guys on TV at Trump's last rally. As a Brit, I have no idea what's happening here, and, frankly, I don't want to know as it'll ruin the surreal nature of the imagery and the bonkers scenario it's created in my head. Suffice to say that Monty Python's classic line, "Blessed are the cheesemakers," perhaps now makes some kind of sense.

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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@Richard65 Green Bay Packers fans. American Football team.

JustDJ76 · 46-50, M

@carpediem July 4th is my favorite holiday. Just sayin…

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

From a European point of view, it's bad because European countries will have to spend more money on the military. That is the thing that European leaders are really pissed off with and worried about.

Speaking of Europe, the real comparison that needs making is with Viktor Orban's Hungary. It's an illiberal democracy (his words) where the ruling party still has elections but has control over most of the state apparatus, the courts and allied industrialists.

America won't become the Third Reich. Not in four years. However, it will take a step towards that authoritarian and nativist model of capitalism.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar Yeah seemed determined to argue with me!

I was addressing Helen's comment that the population dynamics will eventually mean the right can't win. I don't agree with that.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 No no, this wasn't an attempt to argue. Just pointing out that at least here it isn't any longer much of a generational problem.

It's flying a bit under the radar but the right (at least here) has been working overtime to ensure they won't die with the boomers / gen-X. Idk what's the American equivalent of "gioventù nazionale" but I bet there's similar programs elsewhere.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Elessar Nigel Farage is now Britain's biggest politician on TikTok. I happen to know that Le Pen has a lot of young fans.

A section of the youth - young white men especially- is Nov to the right.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

People have been claiming Trump is an isolationist since 2016.

That has been rather thoroughly debunked at this point.

Second point assuming it is true is not a bad thing. Europe can start to behave like sovereign states for the first time in 80 years.

The end of an entire continent being a project of American vassal states would be a good thing. And it would actually create a situation for a reduction in military spending since European countries would not be putting their own countries at risk for some random whim in Washington.

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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@CorvusBlackthorne Um no. Not the same thing. Pretty sure Kiev is east of Berlin. And I am willing to bet you have no idea what that references.

But great job swallowing your war monger propaganda without any thinking at all.

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Pretty sure Kiev is east of Berlin.

And yet it is west of the Russian border. You wish to give it to them, yes?

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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

Sadly, that seems to be the opinion of all the gurus. It will also likely lead to a forced reduction in the he value of the dollar, inflation up the you know what. The trickle down could be both US and worldwide economic calamity.

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helenS · 36-40, F

@samueltyler2 It was assembled in Corvallis Oregon.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@helenS do you have one that says that? It appears that all calculator operations moved to Singapore in 1993. The history doesn't clearly state the calculators were assembled in Oregon before that, just that the operations were moved from Cupertino, California to Corvallis in Sept 1996. Very 🤔 ng since i recalled buying Texas Instrument calculators by them.

helenS · 36-40, F

@samueltyler2 No I have only a replica unfortunately. But I know 100% that the HP calculator division was located in Corvallis Oregon where the calculators were designed and assembled.
The quality of those calculators was incredible. Those who own one say they are still running on the same set of batteries. They are immortal. American engineering at its finest. But it comes at a price, of course.

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

I think you should stop listening to MSM and DNC propaganda about "Project 2025".

It's the left wing equivalent to the WHO or WEF.

A partisan fear fantasy.

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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F

@SumKindaMunster

It's a wish list, it's not policy.

It's 900 pages long . . try sending that one off to Santa Claus 🎅🏻

Elessar · 26-30, M

@SunshineGirl They made it 900 pages long just to make it read-proof for Republicans lol. Like Trump's 90+ minutes deranged speech that nobody sane of mind is going to listen, but just cut into bits lol

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SomeMichGuy · M

That project will gut the US.

We'll become a banana republic

Ontheroad · M

It's an attempt by the few to rule the many... it's really that simple. Ill-conceived at best, un-American at worst, and one of the worst ideas is pulling back on NATO

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Ontheroad

and one of the worst ideas is pulling back on NATO

NATO is a military alliance. Isn't it time to stop fighting wars?

Ontheroad · M

@sree251 sure it is, tell Putin, Iran, China, and others this and I'm all for it. Until then, our best defense is NATO.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Ontheroad Putin's Russia is a puny economy with a US$ 2 trillion GDP. The US's GDP is more than ten times bigger at US$23 trillion. Can't we take on Russian on our own without backup European allies? Besides, how is Russia a threat to us? Iran is a smaller power with less than US$500 billion GDP. Is the US a coward of what? Why do we need NATO allies. Trump is not afraid and wants to throw NATO out if they don't pay up for US protection. Trump can deal with Putin mano o mano.

As for China, how are the Chinese a threat? They have been making goods for us at rock bottom prices to feed their poor citizens.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

the plan doesn't go anywhere near far enough. The US should pull out of NATO entirely and bring its armies home. At present the armies only serve one purpose and that is to make the arms manufacturers richer and spread death across the globe. The US needs to figure out that the business of any nation is business. Individual human beings acting in their mutual best interest and not some clown king(president) thinking he can control the weather by taxing his subjects.

SunshineGirl · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955

At present the armies only serve one purpose and that is to make the arms manufacturers richer and spread death across the globe. The US needs to figure out that the business of any nation is business

If this is true, it seems the status quo satisfies both objectives 🤔

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@SunshineGirl You are right. This is what happens when the citizens disengage and simply let the government do its own thing.

JonLosAngeles66 · M

California would be the obvious state to forge individual relationships with as it's a top five size world economy.

SunshineGirl · 36-40, F

@JonLosAngeles66 Unfortunately, not ideally located for protecting Europe.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

The first issue here is the lie that the US and Europe are partners.

Vassals are not partners.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

Europe may well use its influence in the middle east topressure and/or isolate the US offering its armaments into the region to replace the US equipment sales and limiting the oil supplies go to the States, which have much further to travel and are vulnerable to interruption..This would accelerate the depletion of US reserves and drive prices up..😷

DunningKruger · 61-69, M

Isolationism on an insane level.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

So was it written by a bunch of demoncraps to scare the people away from supporting Trump?

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@samueltyler2 and you know all about this writer because???

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@hippyjoe1955 I don't know the individual writers, but I heard the president of the Heritage Foundation deliver a talk about it. Go to the site and see for yourself!

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@samueltyler2 And that proves??????

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

I shouldn't be surprised if it leads to a nuclear conflict with the former allies of the United States.

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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@CorvusBlackthorne No you falsified it to fit your excuses for being a shill for American imperialism. And Ukraine is not going anywhere.

But it will not be a fascist puppet state much longer.

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I did not falsify anything. I added truth to your comment.

Then you chose to lie again.

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MethDozer · M

To be honest The destruction to my own homeland from Project 2025 is far to great for me to even care about how it will impact Europe.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@MethDozer I feel you, but I don't think this post was aimed an American audience 🙈

MethDozer · M

@Elessar fair enough but Imma answer anyway.

Also to be honest as an American I couldn't care any less if European nations paid more for NATO defense.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@MethDozer Increasing the expenditure isn't even the priority, if it gets wasted. Getting a unified European army should be. Problem is getting everyone on board.

The idea is quite popular here and in France, bit it needs at the very least Germany on board to kickstart. And I've been hearing "soon we'll have it" for decades..

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