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badlands · 22-25, F
@Diotrephes Explain?
spjennifer · 56-60, T
@badlands So what do you say to the States and Religions that not only want to ban abortions but also want to ban birth control and contraceptive means? Are we simply raising brood mares or women? Don't get me wrong, I'm against women using abortion as a means of repetitive birth control but to deny them the choice over what happens to their bodies is slavery, might as well keep them chained up, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen 🤨
justanothername · 51-55, M
@spjennifer Unfortunately that is the dream of the MAGA cultists.
helenS · 36-40, F
America used to be miles ahead of us, but now the US is lagging behind. Europe is becoming the center of human progress again. Yeahh! Vive la France! ♥️ 🇫🇷 ❤️
As président Emmanuel Macron rightly said, women's choice must be introduced to the EU's Charter of Human Rights. 🇪🇺
I feel sorry for my sisters in America, still being oppressed by a religion which is 2000 years old. At least women can legally divorce in America, even though Jesus said God does not want it, 2000 years ago.
As président Emmanuel Macron rightly said, women's choice must be introduced to the EU's Charter of Human Rights. 🇪🇺
I feel sorry for my sisters in America, still being oppressed by a religion which is 2000 years old. At least women can legally divorce in America, even though Jesus said God does not want it, 2000 years ago.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@MasterLee But there is an issue here: The issue is that the state is imposing its will on one class of citizen i.e., discriminating on the basis of gender. Would it be an equal situation if men were imprisoned for life for failing or refusing to wear condoms?
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@JollyRoger non sequitur
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
CrystalSkull · F
@Diotrephes I love how it’s men that are most outspoken in this. They don’t have to carry the bullet for 9 mionths and many just run away anyway. I wish there was so much outrage about women’s rights and the murder rates of women world wide. No? I though not.
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badlands · 22-25, F
@Diotrephes He probably wanted his children. How do you know why he killed them? It seems like he lost his mind.
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JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@badlands
Is it that you think men have the right to dictate to women about conception?
Would you want to support and nurture the child of the neighbour who raped your wife?
Would you not regret getting drunk and having sex and impregnating a woman who was equally out of control and now you're on the 'hook' for child support?
If you say, "That's her problem" then check in the mirror because the reality is it's you who has the problem or is the problem.
Bottom line: It would not be a problem if babies were independent and could feed themselves, clothe themselves, educate themselves and love themselves. However, when a woman does not have the means to care for a child, can't earn a living because she's been abandoned by the father of the child and has other children to care for.... that's a 'life sentence' for her and it's a 'life sentence' for the child who doesn't have the support to learn how to live in our society and who lacks the loving environment that trains them to be a productive citizen.
I know you've heard all of this before: What's stopping you from thinking about it?
Is it that you think men have the right to dictate to women about conception?
Would you want to support and nurture the child of the neighbour who raped your wife?
Would you not regret getting drunk and having sex and impregnating a woman who was equally out of control and now you're on the 'hook' for child support?
If you say, "That's her problem" then check in the mirror because the reality is it's you who has the problem or is the problem.
Bottom line: It would not be a problem if babies were independent and could feed themselves, clothe themselves, educate themselves and love themselves. However, when a woman does not have the means to care for a child, can't earn a living because she's been abandoned by the father of the child and has other children to care for.... that's a 'life sentence' for her and it's a 'life sentence' for the child who doesn't have the support to learn how to live in our society and who lacks the loving environment that trains them to be a productive citizen.
I know you've heard all of this before: What's stopping you from thinking about it?
LordShadowfire · M
@badlands No, it isn't made up. A psychopath does not experience emotions as we understand them, and assumes other people don't, either. A sociopath experiences normal emotions, but has a great difficulty remembering that other people do, too.
badlands · 22-25, F
@LordShadowfire You say: "A psychopath does not experience emotions as we understand them, and assumes other people don't, either."
Where is your source? Psychopaths do experience emotions. What is "as we understand them" supposed to mean?
Why would a psychopath assume other people don't experience emotions in a way we perceive to be normal? They are distinctly aware.
And:
"A sociopath experiences normal emotions, but has a great difficulty remembering that other people do, too."
Source?
Where is your source? Psychopaths do experience emotions. What is "as we understand them" supposed to mean?
Why would a psychopath assume other people don't experience emotions in a way we perceive to be normal? They are distinctly aware.
And:
"A sociopath experiences normal emotions, but has a great difficulty remembering that other people do, too."
Source?
LordShadowfire · M
@badlands [quote]Where is your source?[/quote]
Actual psychologists. Give me about an hour and I'll share a link.
Actual psychologists. Give me about an hour and I'll share a link.
meJess · F
There is no right answer, unfettered right to abortion or total ban, both have consequences. The US decision appears to criminalise power failures in embryo freezers, miscarriages, ectopip pregnancies and other types lethal to the mother. The French decision eliminates any consideration the father may have. Not sure what the answer is, it is probably in between, but at least France isn’t criminalising informed decisions.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@badlands Okay let me lay out my argument explicitly.
Pregnancies naturally terminate all the time. Routinely. We say 30% but most people know it's way higher we just can't measure it because miscarriages happen before we even know it a lot.
We all know that and accept that losing pregnancies is a normal part of continuing the species. Human bodies end pregnancies all the goddamn time. This is normal. We accept it as normal. We don't treat it like manslaughter.
This is why abortion is actually fine. For the same reason that bodies terminating pregnancies all the time is fine. Sometimes it is tragic and sad, as some abortions are, but most of the time, it's just a normal part of life.
If miscarriage is not manslaughter, abortion is not murder. You cannot apply different rules in a way that makes any sense.
Pregnancies naturally terminate all the time. Routinely. We say 30% but most people know it's way higher we just can't measure it because miscarriages happen before we even know it a lot.
We all know that and accept that losing pregnancies is a normal part of continuing the species. Human bodies end pregnancies all the goddamn time. This is normal. We accept it as normal. We don't treat it like manslaughter.
This is why abortion is actually fine. For the same reason that bodies terminating pregnancies all the time is fine. Sometimes it is tragic and sad, as some abortions are, but most of the time, it's just a normal part of life.
If miscarriage is not manslaughter, abortion is not murder. You cannot apply different rules in a way that makes any sense.
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badlands · 22-25, F
@CountScrofula "Naturally terminate" doesn't exist, it isn't real. You are talking about miscarriages, not pills or procedures intended to end a pregnancy and expel the baby from the body.
InOtterWords · F
InOtterWords · F
@badlands again you sound like a school child with your idealism. Of course i would bever tell any person they should have been aborted but you have little understanding or knowledge of what it is for a child to be in care..... and we are not just talking first world here remember
Ther are unloved unwanted children they are abused neglected groomed for sex and crime... it is a sad reality
Even those that stay with parents suffer abuse and neglect if not wanted
I hink we should focus more on these children and what can be done for them rather than worrying if someone is choosing to terminate a pregnancy.
Ther are unloved unwanted children they are abused neglected groomed for sex and crime... it is a sad reality
Even those that stay with parents suffer abuse and neglect if not wanted
I hink we should focus more on these children and what can be done for them rather than worrying if someone is choosing to terminate a pregnancy.
badlands · 22-25, F
@InOtterWords You say we should "focus more" on children who suffer abuse and neglect, but abortion is abuse and neglect. Pregnancy terminations are yet another feature of a world not caring about its children.
What is your knowledge of the life of a child in care? Do you have any experience?
What is your knowledge of the life of a child in care? Do you have any experience?
InOtterWords · F
@badlands abortion is not abuse or neglect. A termination can happen for many reasons including the welfare of the mother....is that not important?
And i have knowledge of children in care
And i have knowledge of children in care
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Funny that I suggested to change the Constitution back four days ago. When this happened .
https://similarworlds.com/politics/4957090-Constitutional-politics-France-Codifies-abortion-rights-in
Same same was done in the 1920s with the right to vote for women.
If it needs to be done, then do it!
The statue of Liberty SYMBOLIZES women's rights! And was it was given by the French because of that in the 1880s. I suppose you want to tear it down because of the that!
The 1840s was when womens suffrage started! And passed in 1920! That's over 70 years they were fighting for the right to vote!
We CAN change the Constitution! And it's been done a few times since then. 1992 with the 27th amendment!
Oh right, you must be able to change your own pay rate! But not give the right to a woman over her own body!
This will NOT stop until womens right to her own body is written in the constitution! That's how it's completely covered! That literally covers everything. Abortion, Contraception and even IVF!
Just one simple amendment! Not even as difficult as given yourself a pay raise!
https://similarworlds.com/politics/4957090-Constitutional-politics-France-Codifies-abortion-rights-in
Same same was done in the 1920s with the right to vote for women.
If it needs to be done, then do it!
The statue of Liberty SYMBOLIZES women's rights! And was it was given by the French because of that in the 1880s. I suppose you want to tear it down because of the that!
The 1840s was when womens suffrage started! And passed in 1920! That's over 70 years they were fighting for the right to vote!
We CAN change the Constitution! And it's been done a few times since then. 1992 with the 27th amendment!
Oh right, you must be able to change your own pay rate! But not give the right to a woman over her own body!
This will NOT stop until womens right to her own body is written in the constitution! That's how it's completely covered! That literally covers everything. Abortion, Contraception and even IVF!
Just one simple amendment! Not even as difficult as given yourself a pay raise!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
badlands · 22-25, F
@Burnley123 If it isn't a human, why did she feel shame years later? I wonder if it is only shame, or something more?
Why are they not human beings? Would you acknowledge that an embryo has a human body, and that it only needs to grow?
Most of the women who get abortions were not using contraception, and if they were they weren't doing it as they should have been.
Why are they not human beings? Would you acknowledge that an embryo has a human body, and that it only needs to grow?
Most of the women who get abortions were not using contraception, and if they were they weren't doing it as they should have been.
badlands · 22-25, F
@Burnley123 Society is making them feel shame or guilt? How?
Sperm needs to meet with an egg to create a baby. Without the two combining, there is no other body. When they do combine, and when the blastocyst becomes an embryo, there is a body. It is a very, very small body that needs months of growth, but it is still a body. It is human form.
Citation for what? Women who use contraception don't get pregnant. These days, you can do more than take the pill. Have you heard about the injections they can get? They only need to receive it every three months.
Sperm needs to meet with an egg to create a baby. Without the two combining, there is no other body. When they do combine, and when the blastocyst becomes an embryo, there is a body. It is a very, very small body that needs months of growth, but it is still a body. It is human form.
Citation for what? Women who use contraception don't get pregnant. These days, you can do more than take the pill. Have you heard about the injections they can get? They only need to receive it every three months.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
badlands · 22-25, F
@JonLosAngeles66 What does any of the above have to do with abortion?
Persephonee · 22-25, F
LordShadowfire · M
@Persephonee Judging by your distorted and emotionally charged language, as well as your use of blatantly inaccurate terms, I can guess which side of the argument you're on.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I'm really happy for France. It's a very smart political move, United States is going back to developing world status because the new laws that America has been putting into place mirror some of the worst economic countries laws around the world regarding high maternal deaths and all cause mortality.
If every developed world was smart, they'll go the opposite direction to take advantage of the weakening status from draconian laws and try to prop themselves up further.
If every developed world was smart, they'll go the opposite direction to take advantage of the weakening status from draconian laws and try to prop themselves up further.
badlands · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger Why do you want to force unwilling states to facilitate abortion? America has liberty, and you have no appreciation of it.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@badlands I'm not trying to get into the oppression Olympics with you. My observation is simply that above. You're talking about France, France is making a smart political move as America will be going into developing world status. It's only natural. It's simply observation.
badlands · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger You have a strange view of what makes a country "smart" and "developed." Can you expound further? What does abortion have to do with the economy?
Do you think the US is going to become poor because states can determine their abortion laws? Let's not pretend here; you can say you just like abortion.
Do you think the US is going to become poor because states can determine their abortion laws? Let's not pretend here; you can say you just like abortion.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
badlands · 22-25, F
@OogieBoogie Why isn't it genocide? Babies belong to humanity, which is a group, the group all nations belong to.
Genocide is "killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part."
Advocates of there being fewer people on the planet seem quite genocidal.
Genocide is "killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part."
Advocates of there being fewer people on the planet seem quite genocidal.
OogieBoogie · F
@badlands [quote].calculated to bring about its physical destruction [/quote]
Exactly .
And abortion isnt bringing the destruction of any human ethnicity or group.
Tell me one group of people in human history that has neared extinction due to abortion?
Try war. War is closer to doing that.
Men and women being sent to kill other men and women. Men, women, children and babies.
Exactly .
And abortion isnt bringing the destruction of any human ethnicity or group.
Tell me one group of people in human history that has neared extinction due to abortion?
Try war. War is closer to doing that.
Men and women being sent to kill other men and women. Men, women, children and babies.
badlands · 22-25, F
@OogieBoogie You didn't read the "in part", did you?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
CrystalSkull · F
CrystalSkull · F
@MasterLee ok
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OogieBoogie · F
Yeah well France isnt America 🤷
And americas constitution has no affect over there.
Rant all you want - but jist as i dont get to tell you what to do with your life, your choices etc....the same goes the other way round .
We arent a dying species .
In fact, we are the equivalent of a virus on this planet.
Its do the whole world a favour if we reduced our population.
And americas constitution has no affect over there.
Rant all you want - but jist as i dont get to tell you what to do with your life, your choices etc....the same goes the other way round .
We arent a dying species .
In fact, we are the equivalent of a virus on this planet.
Its do the whole world a favour if we reduced our population.
badlands · 22-25, F
@OogieBoogie How many of them are disabled? Women abort, mostly, for other reasons.
OogieBoogie · F
@badlands anyway ....it doesn't matter .
I know who you are now .
What is this?
..your third?...fourth ? Account here?
Keep getting blocked do we ?
Need to keep making new accounts to rant about the same old stuff ?
You dont do this coz you care .
You do this coz ots the one guarunteed topic you'll get attention with .
Same ol' , same ol'🙄
I know who you are now .
What is this?
..your third?...fourth ? Account here?
Keep getting blocked do we ?
Need to keep making new accounts to rant about the same old stuff ?
You dont do this coz you care .
You do this coz ots the one guarunteed topic you'll get attention with .
Same ol' , same ol'🙄
OogieBoogie · F
@badlands lawd ur slow .
L.e.t. m.e ...s.p.e.l.l ..i. t. ....o.u.t.-
You sarcastically talked about traveling with a baby....and i said some cant travel coz they have disabled children .
Some children requite around the clock care.
Travel, a social life ....all that goes out the window.
L.e.t. m.e ...s.p.e.l.l ..i. t. ....o.u.t.-
You sarcastically talked about traveling with a baby....and i said some cant travel coz they have disabled children .
Some children requite around the clock care.
Travel, a social life ....all that goes out the window.
badlands · 22-25, F
The middle aged "sheila" from Australia blocked me. How tragic.
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 46-50, M
This calls attention to how abortion=women's rights is oversimplified. France, the country from which "chauvinism" comes from, isn't really big on women's rights. The fact that this is now in the French [i] constitution [/i] should wake some people up to how abortion is very much about men's interests
badlands · 22-25, F
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I think the state uses abortion as population control. It is beneficial when poor women get abortions, it is a way to save money. The state will still have enough workers to use, and they can bring in cheaper ones through immigration.
We also have it because "women's rights" has dictated policy, or because politicians have pretended it dictates policy. Women have never benefited from abortion, but a lot of them can't understand that.
We also have it because "women's rights" has dictated policy, or because politicians have pretended it dictates policy. Women have never benefited from abortion, but a lot of them can't understand that.
LordShadowfire · M
Hey, so I'm responding to your last question here because @sree251 was just getting too hateful, and I ended up reporting them.
Regarding your question, I am opposed to interfering with abortion rights at all. End of story. This is because there are numerous legitimate procedures categorized as abortions. The removal of a dead fetus or embryo, for example, legally counts as an abortion. Terminating an ectopic pregnancy which would ultimately end in death for both baby and mother is legally categorized as an abortion.
This does not mean I agree with people who use abortions as a form of birth control because they just didn't want to use a condom, but if you believe in an eternal reward / punishment system, then presumably you believe they will be punished for that in the end, anyway, without interfering.
Regarding your question, I am opposed to interfering with abortion rights at all. End of story. This is because there are numerous legitimate procedures categorized as abortions. The removal of a dead fetus or embryo, for example, legally counts as an abortion. Terminating an ectopic pregnancy which would ultimately end in death for both baby and mother is legally categorized as an abortion.
This does not mean I agree with people who use abortions as a form of birth control because they just didn't want to use a condom, but if you believe in an eternal reward / punishment system, then presumably you believe they will be punished for that in the end, anyway, without interfering.
badlands · 22-25, F
@LordShadowfire Why would you report him? He is the most sane and intelligent user on this site.
I didn't say anything about interfering with nonexistent rights. What I said is that abortion is not constitutional in the US. Texas is a state where the majority oppose abortion. Why do you want to force them to have it? And why do you want to force Arizona, where opinion is split, to have it?
I didn't say anything about interfering with nonexistent rights. What I said is that abortion is not constitutional in the US. Texas is a state where the majority oppose abortion. Why do you want to force them to have it? And why do you want to force Arizona, where opinion is split, to have it?
swirlie · 31-35, F
Why did you post this under 'politics'?
swirlie · 31-35, F
@LordShadowfire
When does it become an abortion issue then?
When does it become an abortion issue then?
LordShadowfire · M
@swirlie I'm not sure I understand the question.
swirlie · 31-35, F
@LordShadowfire
The OP's question surrounding abortion, ended up in the political section probably because as you say, "it's a political issue in many places".
My question to the OP was, why their question was placed in the political section when the true issue behind their post was abortion itself, not the political aspects that surround abortion?
The reason I say this is because the OP made it very clear what their issue is with abortion, meaning they posted a very biased topic, biased in the sense that they are obviously 'anti-abortion' themselves.
The OP's question surrounding abortion, ended up in the political section probably because as you say, "it's a political issue in many places".
My question to the OP was, why their question was placed in the political section when the true issue behind their post was abortion itself, not the political aspects that surround abortion?
The reason I say this is because the OP made it very clear what their issue is with abortion, meaning they posted a very biased topic, biased in the sense that they are obviously 'anti-abortion' themselves.
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LordShadowfire · M
@meJess Don't bother trying to explain the subtleties of the subject to people like @Midlifemale...
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Midlifemale Not always the case but it should always be the women’s choice and not that of the state.
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badlands · 22-25, F
@BlueOwl This is right. Society should help more, people should help more, and babies should be loved and cared for. Women should be given chances, and they should give their children chances.
They do have a choice prior to this, and that is to use stop a pregnancy from happening. Once the process begins and a body forms by month one, it has happened, and there a baby who would want to live, whose natural instinct is to live.
They do have a choice prior to this, and that is to use stop a pregnancy from happening. Once the process begins and a body forms by month one, it has happened, and there a baby who would want to live, whose natural instinct is to live.