Women in France rejoice over enshrined right to abortion

@JollyRoger I am female, and have no plans to have a wife. If I were a man, I would do all I could to protect my child. You and I can't say it's a "life sentence" for the child, if it is born in the scenario that you have presented. Who are we to know what life it will have, or what its future will be? It could be loved by the mother who thought she may not want it, or it could have a happy life, the only important life, in spite of the indifference and rejection. We aren't Gods, and we don't know the future.

Women with money have abortions; what is their excuse?

@SW-User That you are a woman surprises me. From your position on abortion (first) and then from your view that all fetuses should have a right to be born and grow into productive adults, I'm going to jump to the conclusion that you are Catholic, have no children and that you might have either been a single child or the youngest child in your (either) middle-class or wealthy family with a mother who raised you to have good values and doted upon you (I know that's a lot of 'jumping'). However, you only need to work in a food bank, a soup kitchen, have social workers as friends or slip down to the local casino and watch the men in work clothes gamble away their paychecks to realize that not all families have 'everything' they need to raise children to be productive adults. For example, "In the Ghetto" a song by Elvis Presley tells much about the life of many single mothers who don't have a loving spouse who comes home to cuddle their children, take them to sporting events, go with them on Saturdays to their baseball practice or to church on Sabbath. Add 2 or 3 siblings to that mix and that woman might just be at her wit's end with fatigue, lack of love, lack of respect (having to go to that food bank), having no clothes for herself, no social life, maybe having an alcohol or drug problem picked up from her trying to escape the reality of her plight.... AND if you are in the USA - there's NO social safety net for folk like her where she can get money, advice or help. AND.... there are many, many women like her.
Now about that child that just 'might' grow up to be a productive adult: Just as you probably mirror what you were taught, so will that child mirror how his/her mother has survived - the begging, the drugs, the clinging to some man who promises her 'escape' and then vanishes when she'spregnant again.
So....from your Ivory Tower, she is wrong to want to abort a fetus that will make her life a large percentage more difficult??? GO TO A SOUP KITCHEN or VOLUNTEER AT A SHELTER FOR ABUSED WOMEN! Furthermore: Listen to that song!! AND: You're right....women with money will get their abortions... but the women without money WON'T and their babies will still be born.

@JollyRoger Why would I be any of those things?

You assume that being a parent is bad or somehow very hard. Can you tell me why you would think that? Are people really this selfish?

What do you mean when you say "productive adult"? I don't understand what that is. We are all just adults. The word productive, when I think of others, means nothing to me. I would never say that a person is not producing something. Who am I to say that?

You make a lot of assumptions, and they center around a stereotype of a poor, working class, possibly drug addicted female who will get impregnated by any man. They exist, but they are not most women getting an abortion. Is anything wrong with them? Only if they hurt their children. It is not a given that they will hurt their children.

This idea in your head is a harmful one, you have a created a caricature, and it isn't right. I think that arguments like this are bordering on eugenics. Using a medical procedure to improve or resolve a perceived social ill, and to ensure that society will only have "productive" members? I say no.

@SW-User I can't argue with you if you won't look around you to see the evidence of what I say. If you won't 'touch' the other side of our society you will remain thinking that all is well and that the poor bring misery on themselves.
PRODUCTIVE: Means 'contributing' to make our society better. I don't know if you see outside the tinted windows of your car as you drive (or ard driven by someone) down the street of your cities. In Canada we have wealth and we have a social welfare system that supports PEOPLE - they may be poor, they may be mentally challenged, they may be disabled by injury or they may just be suffering 'a hard time' of unemployment. BUT: among those people who do need help are others who victimize others: robbers, thieves, drug dealers, pimps, layabouts (beggars) who despite their monetary gains from crime and laziness, still draw on the safety net. These are the type of people who are not "productive adults". Why don' t they seek a job inside our society? Why don't they contribute to helping their neighbours instead of victimizing them? WHY, WHY, Why? In worst cases its because they are sociopathic (they don't have feelings for others) = and your attitude borders on that. In common cases it's because that's what they lived through growing up - they see there are no 'open doors' to enter 'our society' so they create their own society where thay can build their own perverse type of self-esteem. EVERY person believes that they are behaving well when they see that what they are doing gives them a personal reward - THAT'S SURVIVAL. It is the same for the wealthy banker, to the mugger in the alleyway. HOWEVER: Most of us are in the middle - we do see the good we do see the greed we do respond with sympathy, pity and generosity - we are idealists who want rest for our souls (our consciences). Why folks like you wish to condemn others to misery on the self-serving belief that "God wills it." when Christ Himself taught us to believe that God only wills us to do good for each other - WHY ARE YOU (and others) so steadfast in interpreting "God's Will" for others? If God wishes to punish women for aborting their fetuses He will = Judgement Day will come but in the meanwhile - ARE YOUR THEIR JUDGE?

@JollyRoger There is no such thing as a "sociopath", only a psychopath. Everyone has some degree of psychopathy in them, but some have more than others. With some, no distinctions can be made and the lack of restraint and limitations are quite high. Others will be more complex, more like puzzles that no one will ever be able to piece together. A person who deliberately harms their child, or knows their child is being harmed and does nothing, is a psychopath. In prison, other prisoners don't like them. That is because they can feel empathy, where certain people are concerned. Some of these types want to pick on the vulnerable, some of them want to take it to the top, or to someone who is equal to them. Aborting your child because you have decided that you are more important and that it isn't worth anything to you is very narcissistic, and having low or no empathy for your child is psychopathic.

We shouldn't be worried about "robbers, thieves, drug dealers, pimps, layabouts (beggars)" when there are pedophiles, murderers, corrupt politicians, and homicidal police officers on the loose. I understand that they may not be desirable, but if we are to use the example of pimps, women make the decision to go with them. If they are adults, what are you going to do?

The world is being run by criminals, yet all you can do is mention your everyday rule breakers and "beggars", who are so easy for the police to pick on, and for judges to put away. Put away for the crime of being "unproductive." It all starts when we think we are better or more important than someone else.

@SW-User Thanks for the lesson. I'm blocking you now.

@JollyRoger punishing/murdering a child for the irresponsibility of it's parents...

No different than spouses getting into an argument and taking it out on their kids, do you support that? 🤔

@SW-User I didn't know you had a degree in psychology.

@LordShadowfire I have no degree in psychology, and would never want one. I did attend medical school in the UK. Qualifying for medical school in this country isn't an easy task.

People have invented a definition of sociopathy; it doesn't exist. There is a disorder called antisocial personality disorder, and psychopathy can be diagnosed in a test. It is called a PCL-R test. There is no such test for sociopathy. Everyone has traits of psychopathy sometimes, but some have them all the time, and to a more extreme degree. I was recommended to have a PCL-R test after a psychologist reported that I am a psychopath in her view. She never mentioned the antisocial personality disorder, only saying I have psychopathic traits and am a psychopath in her professional opinion. Some psychologists are wild!

@LordShadowfire What is the difference?This is an informal term that has been made up, but I will indulge you.

@SW-User No, it isn't made up. A psychopath does not experience emotions as we understand them, and assumes other people don't, either. A sociopath experiences normal emotions, but has a great difficulty remembering that other people do, too.

@LordShadowfire You say: "A psychopath does not experience emotions as we understand them, and assumes other people don't, either."

Where is your source? Psychopaths do experience emotions. What is "as we understand them" supposed to mean?

Why would a psychopath assume other people don't experience emotions in a way we perceive to be normal? They are distinctly aware.

And:

"A sociopath experiences normal emotions, but has a great difficulty remembering that other people do, too."

Source?

@SW-User Actual psychologists. Give me about an hour and I'll share a link.