Women in France rejoice over enshrined right to abortion

This week, women in France celebrated the newly enshrined right to abort their children.

The US was able to recognize that this right is not constitutional, and could only be if you rewrite the constitution. Since Roe v. Wade was overturned in June 2022, states have been able to decide their own abortion laws.

French president said: "we're sending a message to all women: your body belongs to you and no one can decide for you."

He added he "will not rest" until abortion is introduced to the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights. In a speech during the ceremony to mark this now constitutional right, he declared this is "freedom, a fight made up of tears, tragedies and broken destinies."

Yes, there are many broken destinies. They are broken because they were taken by abortion.

The Eiffel Tower lit up with the words "#My bodyMychoice." Women in France believe that this is a "victory."

Victory for whom, I wonder?

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InOtterWords · F

Victory...for women....and men

There are far too many unwanted and unloved kids in the world

SW-User

@InOtterWords Lack of parental love and care is not reason to deprive the child of life and a chance at being a better person than the woman who birthed it, and the man who fathered it. They all have the potential to be good, loving people who will cherish their own children.

InOtterWords · F

@SW-User who will raise the unwanted child?

SW-User

@InOtterWords You ask this question like it has not been answered already, by all the people who look after children who are not their own.

In most circumstances, a mother loves her child.

InOtterWords · F

@SW-User
So then why are tgere so many neglected abused unwanted unloved children in the world?

SW-User

@InOtterWords There is always going to be someone who will love them. When they learn of their existence and the cruelty inflicted on them by their parents, they help them. A parent who is cruel should always give their child the opportunity to be loved by someone else. Then, they will be less cruel. If they deprive their child of this chance, only they are to blame.

InOtterWords · F

@SW-User who is loving the 5 million children in care ? Noone is adopting these kids?

Why not focus on the born children who need our help and resources rather than the unborn

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@SW-User Your last comment is correct:

Lack of parental love and care is not reason to deprive the child of life and a chance at being a better person than the woman who birthed it, and the man who fathered it.

But you are looking only at the situation where the adults who 'jointly' conceived the child are 'jointly' failing to care for the child. The reality is that in the majority of cases for abortion, there is no 'joint' decision - it all falls on the woman who will have to sacrifice her future for the sake of the child. So: What do you propose is a solution for when a woman is abandoned by her 'lover'.

PS: We're not talking about a 'birthed' child here... we're talking about the equivalent of a chick still in the egg or a tadpole in a pond.

SW-User

@JollyRoger How many men are asked about the decision to abort? Is it right to not use contraception if you are not in a relationship, or with someone who would not help you care for the child you will create?

This is her baby too, and she is responsible for it. She knew that her body will be the place it forms, that she will be the one to nurture it, and that she will birth and care for it.

InOtterWords · F

Her body.... her choice....her decision with her doctor @SW-User

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@SW-User YES.... you know those things. You were taught to respect yourself. You were never in a home-life where you were raped. You were never in a social circle where women are 'property' to be trafficked and used to make money. You were never in a situation where your self-esteem was so low that you would do whatever any menacing person asked you to do. You were never so hungry that you would do anything for a 'date' to a nice restaurant or even to a McDonalds. You never had to beg for a job and if you did go to a job interview you never had nice clothes to wear. You never had to drop out of school to help raise your siblings that your own single mother had as a burden on her.... THERE IS SO MUCH THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HAD TO DO!

SW-User

@JollyRoger How do you know?

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@SW-User Of course I'm guessing, but my guess is based on your attitude: You are putting the responsibility for preganancies (wanted or unwanted) solely on women. That in itself indicates to me that you lack experience in life. The rest of what I say is plentiful and obvious on the streets of our cities, towns and even inside the homes of wealthy people. And just so you understand that I'm not just picking on you: I lived with the things I mention by interviewing victims, gathering evidence of crimes, arresting people for doing harm to others and testifying as to what I saw in courts of law: I was a peace officer (policeman to folks in the USA) for 33 years.

JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@SW-User I can't believe that you believe what you wrote:

There is always going to be someone who will love them. When they learn of their existence and the cruelty inflicted on them by their parents, they help them. A parent who is cruel should always give their child the opportunity to be loved by someone else. Then, they will be less cruel. If they deprive their child of this chance, only they are to blame.

Are you, an American who expresses themselves as an anti-abortionist now promoting a Socialist state where children are taken into care because their parents don't want them? What suddenly happened to all the 'responsibility' all the 'love' that parents can teach their own children if they don't abort them?? You are off-base here.... come back to reality and stop being a troll on this site.

SW-User

@JollyRoger I am not American, and I never said anything about a socialist state.

Imagine that there is a baby who has been abandoned by its mother in a public area, where it can be seen. How many people do you think are going to walk by that baby before someone comes to its rescue? Even if they do not take the baby home, someone will provide it with care, whether they are being paid by the state or not. It is going to be loved by someone in its life. Cases where violence and physical harm are inflicted happen when the baby isn't given the opportunity to leave its environment, where no one or few know about it.

In all instances, the child can be cared for by family members, or they can be adopted. A baby will always be highly desired, you must realize that. A child is most desired by a prospective adopter when they are a baby.

InOtterWords · F

@SW-User you sound like a school child..... there are not many babies in care but there are millions of children and so few are prepared to adopt or foster a child

SW-User

@InOtterWords These are children taken from their parents after they were babies. I don't know why they're "in care." Some of it may be necessary, some of it is not. They all have a life and a future, their own life and future. Would you look at one of them and say "you should have been aborted?"

If they are in care, it would suggest they are being fostered. Children's homes do still exist, but if they had to choose between not being born and living in a home, I think most would say the latter. Children tend to enjoy being alive. I am not going to be the one to say they will be unhappy and then deprive them the chance of finding out, of experiencing the good with the bad, which is what life is.

InOtterWords · F

@SW-User again you sound like a school child with your idealism. Of course i would bever tell any person they should have been aborted but you have little understanding or knowledge of what it is for a child to be in care..... and we are not just talking first world here remember
Ther are unloved unwanted children they are abused neglected groomed for sex and crime... it is a sad reality
Even those that stay with parents suffer abuse and neglect if not wanted
I hink we should focus more on these children and what can be done for them rather than worrying if someone is choosing to terminate a pregnancy.

SW-User

@InOtterWords You say we should "focus more" on children who suffer abuse and neglect, but abortion is abuse and neglect. Pregnancy terminations are yet another feature of a world not caring about its children.

What is your knowledge of the life of a child in care? Do you have any experience?

InOtterWords · F

@SW-User abortion is not abuse or neglect. A termination can happen for many reasons including the welfare of the mother....is that not important?

And i have knowledge of children in care