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Lila15 · 22-25, F
Voter turnout will be way up among Democrats due to the abortion issue.

Trump will lose support due to convictions and obvious mental deterioration.

The Gaza war will be over and progressive voters will hold their noses and vote for Biden because they know Trump will be worse.

Biden will win the popular vote and electoral college. Trump supporters will commit stochastic violence.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@SW-User In the primaries we've had so far, Biden has overperformed polls and Trump has underperformed. Some of this is due to Democratic voters ratfucking Trump by voting for Haley, but that's only in states with open primaries.

Also, Trump's mental deterioration is getting worse and could be too obvious to ignore by November. He still has a core of fanatical supporters, but even going by rally attendance, people are getting tired of him.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Lila15 LOL LOL LOL
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@MasterLee How do you explain the fact that every election where abortion was a factor has been a victory for the pro-choice side, even in conservative states like Kansas and Ohio? The Supreme Court screwed up big time. They should have left Roe v. Wade alone. Now the Republicans will pay for it.

Docdon23 · M
Sadly, I agree on all counts. Like many Americans, I hope for both parties finding better candidates, but am not optimistic. These two are the best we can do? How sad is that. And after trunp wins he pardons himself and stops all legal challenges...but his growing dementia, which is now in the beginning stages, make him more and more unfit...and whoever his vice president is eventually takes over...all this is so sad for regular Americans who care and work and believe in democracy...
helenS · 36-40, F
@Docdon23 Most people say I'm a moderate right-winger, but those left+right categories don't mean much these days. The real question is, are you republican (please note the lowercase "r") or are you in favor of an authoritarian government where Fearless Leader restlessly fights "for the people".
Docdon23 · M
@helenS I agree about the labels. I am far left on some issues, moderate on some, and very conservative on others. I was always struck by the woman's choice and death penalty dichotomy. I believe all life is sacred and special and we do not have the right to ever take it away...so I oppose the death penalty (and yes, some dangerous people need to be removed from society for life) but also oppose abortion (although we need to redefine when life starts, due to modern medicine) except in rare cases (but also yes, it is a woman's body and she has a right to it)...neither left or right would agree with me on both!
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Docdon23 Thank you for seeing it that way Doc. People on the left that are pro-abortion
and anti death penalty, seem sick to me. Although I have a different stance.

I believe in capital punishment, and though I do not agree with abortion personally, I
shudder to think what would have happened if 60 million unborn, unwanted babies
had been born to people that did not want them. There would not be enough
adopters to adopt them all.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
I will throw out this guess -- and it is more guess than prediction -- that Biden withdraws just before, or at the start, of the Democratic Convention, throwing it to a wide open convention where most of the delegates are Biden supporters. He gets to withdraw on his terms salvaging his ego, while pretty much secures a successor following his generally moderate middle of the road policies. I don't know whether that is a glass half full or half empty scenario. It is likely to lead to a battle between California's Newsom and Harris -- both with their own baggage -- and certainly all the historic negatives of back room deals at wide open conventions. Otoh, it could lead to the interesting emergence of a new face hardly known.

Second off-the-wall guess: Nikki Haley pivots to one of the "third" parties already on the ballots in most states, giving moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats a choice under age 80. Which is why she is still staying in the Republican primaries: for the big stage and megaphone as long as she can, since third parties do not normally get much traction. And some third parties are willing to go outside their small group of partisans to get some traction.
Docdon23 · M
@ViciDraco Agree--but the trends now are not in favor of Biden winning, against probably the most beatable candidate out there...perhaps he will be convinced the Dems winning is far more important than he is...
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@ViciDraco True, but that could be an advantage in this polarized and digitalized society of ours.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Docdon23 I'm suspecting Dr. Jill will convince him that it is in both his and the country's -- as well as the party's -- best interests to step down on his own terms. Not that he always listens to her. She argued for him to run in 2016, which would have been better for all of us, but he was still grieving for his son Beau and didn't feel up to it. Choosing to not run in the primaries as Johnson did would be like admitting defeat and wouldn't be in his DNA; plus puts him in the awkward position of supporting or not supporting Harris. This way he salvages his ego by showing a run for a second term was his for the taking, a way of turning the Convention into a farewell tour to politics, and shaping the parameters of a successor without having to endorse someone in the primaries.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
And all the knock-on effects from that to follow.

Trump's constant b/s to camera and those godawful tweets.
Rejection from just about everywhere in Europe, not keen to make the same mistake twice.
Massive rise in American company stock prices at home; absolutely worthless if you're a shareholder abroad because nobody will want to buy whatever you own to sell.
Possible rise in covid infections.....Remember the "Nothing stops business" comment as he opened the door from Wuhan to the U.S and beyond ? Again, Europe well bitten by that one last time so keep an eye on Boeing stock prices as Europe slams the door on travellers from the U.S. since a sizable % of them won't have had any vaccinations.....

Nothing good will come from it.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@LeopoldBloom Also, well, influenza isn't exactly light on healthcare resources utilization, often causing criticalities even in the most advanced systems. COVID at best doubles that strain. At least Influenza peaks only in certain months of the year and doesn't have ~3 months cycles
@Elessar While I agree that the US approach was haphazard and contradictory, and contributed to the death toll here, there was no way the US was going to lock down the way New Zealand did. I'm not sure that would have been possible even with the political will and the population going along with it.

COVID is definitely more dangerous than flu, but for now it's nowhere near as prevalent. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Yes, COVID is still around and probably will be forever. I'm not sure what you're recommending to stop it. You have to look at the externalities of any abatement measures. Let's say we could eliminate COVID permanently, but it would require most of the annual budget, and permanent travel restrictions to make sure no one carrying the disease entered the country. That might work but at the cost of destroying the economy. Is it worth it? How many people would die for other reasons if we took drastic steps like that? How would the government force the people to go along with it?
bookerdana · M
I expect voter turnout to be high b/c of the SCOTUS controversial ROE decision
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I don't know. Like many of the people commenting, I'm not American.

Fwiw, Trump is favourite with British bookmakers but not overwhelmingly. It's still well in contention.

The impression I get from most of my American liberal friends on here is that Biden shouldn't be running again. Though his administration has done a competent job, he is an old man who struggles to finish his sentences It doesn't look good and that is why so many independents are leaning towards Trump. In addition, the US economy was performing well while Trump was in the Whitehouse and people will give him credit for that, however little Trump had to do with it.

I think Biden does deserve criticism for the Palestine issue but I also don't think that this is the primary problem. A competent generic Democrat (like Gavin Newsome) would beat Trump, who is also a flawed candidate.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Burnley123 The thing is Biden's skin has done really well in most areas except the Gaza situation. Even our economy is better, though the right tries to deny it constantly the numbers don't lie.

I would have preferred Biden stepping down over his age, but also Trump is also in serious decline. He's only 4 years younger, the age Biden was for the last election when he was already being attack for being too old.

Independents over the past few years have largely rejected Trump supported candidates. A bit of a saying has started up that Republicans can't win their primaries without him, but they can't win general elections with him.

It's going to come in pretty close again.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ViciDraco I think it's going to be close. British bookmakers have trump as slight favourite because of the polling. The age thing is more of an issue for Biden than trump.
DogMan · 61-69, M
I believe that Newsom will swoop in at the last minute and save the Democrats.

Harris is not ready, nor will she ever be.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@DogMan gruesome is your horse?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@MasterLee No Newscum is not my horse. It is just my prediction.
@DogMan That would result in total chaos and a landslide victory for Trump. Biden will be the nominee for better or worse.
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Lila15 · 22-25, F
@jshm2 What is the "international post in vote" - Americans overseas?

Trump has a base, but it's too small to elect him without votes from people who aren't in his base. And Biden doesn't have a base, but he doesn't need one. No president until Trump had a "base."
helenS · 36-40, F
That's one of the more plausible scenarios, but only one of them.
Don't know how many Democratic voters are "friends of the Palestinian people" – probably a lot.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@helenS is not that they are friends of the Palestinians than that they are anti-genocidal. The thing is that there are strong pro-palestine communities in swing states like Michigan that could make all the difference. It's not going to be like move the embassy to Jerusalem Trump is going to be any better on the topic, but just getting people to not vote greatly favors Republicans in most cases.
Sevendays · M
I thought the voter turnout in 2020 was the highest in decades. Can you source your information? Thanks
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Sevendays much if it was overblown. Some places exceeded registered voters.
Sevendays · M
@MasterLee 🙄. Uh huh
i to am concerned.. oddly how things like TIKTOK can have such effect on our system

many things can still happen,,, Random crap may be our best hope
Elessar · 26-30, M
6. "Progressive" dems when Trump will order the detonation of a tactical nuke over Gaza on Jan 21st, 2025:

BeepBeep · F
Your probably right on all your points
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I don't know. I think MAGA has shrunk but they are very loud so it's hard to determine their size.

Independents are likely to go hard for Biden if elections over the past two years indicate much.

The number of Never Trumpers in the republican party have galvanized and will likely not vote for president or even cross party lines, though they will follow party lines down ticket.

I really could see it breaking either way. If the Israel/Gaza situation didn't explode, it probably would have been an easy win for Biden though. The mid-east conflict really put him in a hard spot and he was going to piss off a lot of supporters either way he went. Being in DC he's largely exposed to the zionists, so he's got that bias. Zionists also tend to be bigger campaign contributors which I'm sure influenced things as well. That is the major issue putting him at risk. The only people that really care about his age are the same people ignoring the decline their own candidate.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
We shall see.
swirlie · 31-35, F
I predict that Biden will step out of the game at the last minute before voting begins.
Which makes BinBiden's "win" an anomoly.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@MarmeeMarch If the orange traitor wins he will take every secret document with him when he leaves office, if he lives that long.
@MasterLee Have you noticed that only the blue states allows harvesting? 🤔
MasterLee · 56-60, M

 
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