@SamInAZ I am talking about the cosmic role of the woman. It is instinctive as in maternal instinct. Feminists don't have this instinct because it is wiped out by woke culture.
@sree251 Some have had it wiped out of them, but others don't figure out they shouldn't have listened to the feminazi propaganda until their biological clock runs out & it's too late.
If women chose to sleep around and not to have kids, its their choice. Same with men. Its called equality. Like how a human being has choice and autonomy.
I'm trying hard not to make personal judgements and say what I think led you to these opinions.
@Burnley123 I mean I think I agree. He says feminism or motherhood when it's not either or. Male feminists can also be fathers, which is worth nothing.
Just to steal man him as hard as I can, I think the implication is that while these people CAN be parents, their ideology doesn't emphasize parenthood, and actually under values it. Not all women should be mothers; some of these broads should never breed. Same with men and fathers. But as a society, I think motherhood should be celebrated and honored above pretty much everything else; same with fatherhood.
Seems like at best you can be making the argument that single parents are a burden on society but that in no way singles out women or feminist women. It takes two to tango, as it were. So surely this criticism is equally leveled against the man these single mothers slept with
Most people have evolved from believing this is the only dynamic that works. We aren't cavemen anymore. Women can be educated, employed, they can even vote! Women aren't limited to a maternal role and the reason is because people make their own purpose in life.
I don't want to be a paternal figure, I don't even want children.
@SamInAZ No, you are a fool dreaming of the "good ol' days" that you were never around to see. When society actually tried to keep these values beyond the 1800s a lot of men and women were against them. You are also arrogant for trying to assign a role to the opposite gender of your species. I suspect that you are incel who blames their lack of sex on women having rights.
@SamInAZ You said: "what purpose is higher than parenthood? Getting rich?"
I like this statement. You have parental instinct without which mankind is doomed. Even a chipmunk or bird has this instinct but not the woke. The feminist would rather not breastfeed; and even if she does, she cannot provide nourishment. Thus, like her, her offspring has no soul. It is fine by her because she does not believe in it anyway.
The traditional family has been the target of viscously growing attacks for a decade now. I applauded couples of the younger generations who could see through that, and could maintain the values of a traditional family. That's a true challenge.
@SatanBurger You said: "Animals can't push their young in a stroller because they're animals and not humans."
Humans are animals also but not natural in the living of their lives. The woke lifestyle is artificial and contrived. Consequently, there is neither devotion nor passion in parenting. Mom doesn't breastfeed because she either has to go to work or don't want to mess up her tits. Dad can't take over the responsibility because he has no boobs. And if he has them, they are not for babies but for his husband. Same deal for the feminist. I could go on with a litany of complaints about the woke family culture. What do you say, Satan?
@sree251 Those are highly specific personal details you likely wouldn't know unless you were in their intimate lives. Which means you're over exaggerating at best.
@SatanBurger You said: "Those are highly specific personal details you likely wouldn't know unless you were in their intimate lives. Which means you're over exaggerating at best."
I am not here to disparage the woke lifestyle. All conventional couples live the same way with regard to parenting when the natural order in life is absent. And it is generally absent for human beings most of the time. Rarely is the human child blessed enough to be born in a good family when not even its parents but its grandparents also are protective of it welfare. Such a stable family structure is not likely to exist in woke culture.
@sree251 The things that you find difficult get turned into 'garbage' so you never have to try and learn them again. Don't worry, though, education will still be here should you want to attempt it again.
@CountScrofula This is a really good point. You can be both. There's nothing in the tenets of pretty much any main wave of feminism that says "you can't have kids and be good to them".
The woman's role is primarily at the center of the family to procreate and nurture offspring. In that regard, she is responsible for the physical and moral well-being of humanity.
The woke protects the right of women to sleep around for recreation. No world religion endorses this.
@SamInAZ @sree251 Oh look it's two profiles of the same person. Sam created his account recently and his first comment was on this post. Niceeee. Needed some back up eh?
Evolutionary science is what tells us that females and their families fare better when they are there to nurture them, in the most intense and profound way. Our biological purpose, whether we like it or not, is to procreate.
After we produce offspring, we are meant to take care of that offspring and help them to not only survive, but thrive.
This is something deeper than the individual, and it is the most inherently natural experience in the world, apart from dying.
Sex and birth...this is why we live, and should be how we live.
@SamInAZ You said: "there are no solutions, only trade-offs, in life."
To trade-off is to compromise. This would be a sell-out of principle. My solution is to abstain. I cannot bring a child into a society that is dangerous and fundamentally unsound.
@sree251 By trade-offs, I don't mean compromises. I mean the inevitable changes societies have to accept in order to make a problem less of an issue...because most of the time, human problems are never going to be solved. If that makes any sense.
[@SamInAZI You said: "I mean the inevitable changes societies have to accept in order to make a problem less of an issue...because most of the time, human problems are never going to be solved. If that makes any sense."
Let's make this simple. I know there is a fundamental problem with human nature. Human nature is what I am. I am the problem. I alone am aware of this problem that has stopped me in my tracks. sascha asked how do I live as a man. I don't because I can't. I can only take care of the body because it has to be fed, clothed and sheltered till it dies.
Well the only way you can ask this question seriously is if you're saying that a mother can't be a feminist and a feminist can't be a mother. There's mothers who are conservative, liberal, anarchist, atheist etc. and all different races from all different countries and in all different kinds of situations. The way your question is set up just assumes one thing over the other, which has no real bearing on anything in reality. It's like looking at porn and thinking everyone has sex that way or something, it's just not a thing.
Also, to be honest, I protect the right of women to sleep around with who they want because men have done that for centuries and also made up reasons for why women can't act like how they act which I find hypocritical at best. Men say "women act badly because they wanna be like men" but if women act badly are are like men, then are men saying that other men therefore act badly? Is this a confession?
Even if men didn't do that, you act as if there's an alternative. How do you enforce women not sleeping around? The only way is through authoritarianism and making up a whole bunch of rules and regulations around sexual urges and stuff. I've seen what happens to countries with porn banned and a nice black market trade in sexuality with an open red light distract and more sexual trafficking, no thanks.
@sree251 Lol the main thing I want to say is that I think living with some regrets in life which makes us human is better than murdering your kids, crazy idea I know. I'm sure that sounded far better in your head though 🤣
The only reason she told you that is because in India there's caste systems and society will make her life a living hell because of what someone else did to her, much like how fathers kill their daughters in India if they were raped, also called honor killings.
Doesn't make you correct. At one time, they married small children, that's also wrong. Just because someone jumps off a cliff doesn't mean you got to. I'm just saying this in case you're thinking of publicly executing your family and ending up on YouTube being arrested in whitey tighties out on your front lawn.
@SatanBurger Honestly I think there's a push for his kind of ideology. Like for the longest time, liberals and libertarians basically just wanted everyone to have equal rights, and conservatives wanted to go back to the 1950s sitcom paradise. Now I feel like liberals and libertarians want the world to be a giant buttfucking orgy, and conservatives want the world to be like way more trad, like a 1300s viking tribe. Maybe i'm just only talking to autists on reddit (nothing against autistic people; they are awesome and needed). I just think everyone is going more extreme in one direction.
Lots of feminists are mothers who care greatly for their offspring. And yes, women have a right to sleep around for recreation, whether or not any ancient set of stories and rules, mostly made up by men, endorses that.
It's up to the individual. Some women should be mothers, and others are better off never breeding, ever. lmfao. Same with guys and fatherhood. That said, fatherhood and motherhood must be valued highly in our society if it is to thrive. Motherhood should be celebrated and honored above everything else. This isn't to say if you don't do it, you shouldn't be. Kinda like how we should honor fire fighters, but there's not like a stigma against NOT being a fire fighter?
Feminism should be (But sadly isnt) unneccessary. Today a womans role as defined by her body is optional. Just as not all males will become weight lifters or Lumberlacks, not all women will become mothers and only those who want the job should take it on..Having said that, if the decide to take the job on, they should give it the focus the child deserves..😷
Nah, the "woke" as you disingenuously term it just protects the rights of women. You chose to focus on the idea of sleeping around, which speaks volumes about you.
Agreed. I would never consider even dating a woman who calls themselves a feminist...especially if she is a proud abortion supporter. I definitely appreciate when they are vocal about it, because then I know which ones are potential murderers or not. 😆