The woman's role: mother or feminist?

@sascha Evolutionary science is on the brink of collapsing as a theory. Way too many holes. The Royal Society has pretty much declared it dead.

@sascha You said: "Evolutionary science is what tells us that females and their families fare better when they are there to nurture them, in the most intense and profound way. Our biological purpose, whether we like it or not, is to procreate."

Our biological purpose, you say? What are you? Are you the human organism taking part in this conversation? Are you the body using the brain to process this chat with another biological organism? This is weird.

@sree251 we can invent whatever secondary purpose we like, but this doesn't change how our most fundamental purpose is to reproduce and take care of our offspring. This applies to both men and women, because together they have made their children.

I agree with you on feminism, at least with regard to the less desirable aspects of it. I don't see any reason why women shouldn't be able to vote and make decisions about their lives.

However, to use one example, it has increasingly been the case that "forced equality" in the academic and corporate fields has been prioritized, and this is not fair, and not ethical. It is always questionable when the state and private businesses have to make a concerted effort to attract and employ women, with these jobs often being the more favorable and well paid ones. This is especially bad when, in some instances, they have to make adjustments, or it produces mediocre results.

In relation to your OP, I'm not sure why anyone would think it's only a woman's role to ensure the physical and moral well-being of humanity. This has to be shared.

Although...I would add that it's not really our concern what other people do. We should be free to think and do as we wish, as long as we aren't physically harming anyone else.

@sascha You said: "In relation to your OP, I'm not sure why anyone would think it's only a woman's role to ensure the physical and moral well-being of humanity. This has to be shared."

"The woman's role" within the context of the well-being of humanity is what the OP is about. This is not meant to be an intellectual debate on woke values of the feminist. In my opinion, the selfish female is the feminist. It is all about her right, as a human digit in society, to live as a male human being does. We either accept this doctrine or we don't. Woke people - females as well as males - have a right to live the way they want. And they do, here in America.

Being a mother is a selfless vocation.

@sree251 how does a male human being live, according to you?

@sascha You said: "how does a male human being live, according to you?"

I have a male human body. I have chosen to abstain from conventional human life. It's not viable. And I don't have a solution.

@sree251 there are no solutions, only trade-offs, in life.

@SamInAZ You said: "there are no solutions, only trade-offs, in life."

To trade-off is to compromise. This would be a sell-out of principle. My solution is to abstain. I cannot bring a child into a society that is dangerous and fundamentally unsound.

@sree251 By trade-offs, I don't mean compromises. I mean the inevitable changes societies have to accept in order to make a problem less of an issue...because most of the time, human problems are never going to be solved. If that makes any sense.

[@SamInAZI You said: "I mean the inevitable changes societies have to accept in order to make a problem less of an issue...because most of the time, human problems are never going to be solved. If that makes any sense."

Let's make this simple. I know there is a fundamental problem with human nature. Human nature is what I am. I am the problem. I alone am aware of this problem that has stopped me in my tracks. sascha asked how do I live as a man. I don't because I can't. I can only take care of the body because it has to be fed, clothed and sheltered till it dies.