The woman's role: mother or feminist?

@Graylight You said: "Oh, I didn't know you were the Universes' mouthpiece. How clear your vision must be that you know the dictates of God."

In the face of the mess in the world, someone has to speak up.

@sree251 Yes, I'm sure Jesus loves how you advocate for inequality.

@Graylight The world of Caesar and the world of God is equal? Woke people have corrupted forms of the Christian faith. They worship a woke version of Jesus.

@sree251 Inequality between [i]men [/i]and [i]women[/i]. You were the one who posted about it, for God's sake.

@sree251 As opposed to the Republican Jesus you worship?

@Graylight You said: "Inequality between men and women. You were the one who posted about it, for God's sake."

Nothing in the natural world is equal. Are all your fingers equally long? How bizarre your hand would look. Equality is a selfish mind seeking social justice. It is a a dead mechanical way of living. Does the moon demand equal presence in the Heavens as the sun? Everything has its place in the natural universe.

@sree251 Equal rights. Do you not understand the very purpose of civil rights law? The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)? U.S. Commission on Civil Rights? The omission of sex in Executive Order 11246 was finally rectified in Executive Order 11375 on October 13, 1967. In a letter to President Johnson, the leaders of the National Organization for Women (NOW) hailed the correction, but remained unsatisfied with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission’s (EEOC) performance in making the new order effective. The letter was signed by Kathryn Clarenbach, Betty Friedan, and Caroline Davis, officers of NOW from its inception, as well as Aileen Hernandez, who had announced her resignation from the EEOC over its lack of attention to women’s issues a year before Executive Order 11375 was issued.

No, few things are technically equal, and how odd you would use the strict scientific view on this. Many things are equal. The Golden Ratio is. Flower petals, seed heads, pine cones, fruits and vegetables, tree branches, shells, spiral galaxies, hurricanes, faces, fingers, animal bodies, reproductive dynamics and DNA molecules. All equal in proportion of growth and development.

If the smallest things in nature can be governed by a rule of proportions and mandates for equality to be followed or perish, you think it applies to men and women, despite their minor but crucial physical difference. See, you define equality by comparing things were never meant to be equal. You're also comparing inanimate objects with humanity, who sadly has had to work from its inception on respecting and treating everyone equally.

@sree251 Got it, you're an incel who thinks the "place" of women is to pleasure you and not complain.

Please provide objective proof that men are superior to women and should be given preference in hiring and pay, even for jobs where it makes no difference.

@Graylight This guy probably thinks anyone who isn't a member of his race, religion, or nationality isn't his "equal" either.

@Graylight You said: "See, you define equality by comparing things were never meant to be equal. You're also comparing inanimate objects with humanity, who sadly has had to work from its inception on respecting and treating everyone equally."

Equality is a dumb ideology. Natural order in nature is not based on equality. Even the left side of the human face is not equal to the right side. Are you a human digit made to measure to the same technical specs? This is the fundamental problem with woke social science cooked up by academic experts and professionals. Take affirmative action, a woke ideology. Has it cured social inequality in America? Or has it caused misery? The issue of George Floyd is still burning up America.

@sree251 There is a difference between physically identical, and equal before the law.

George Floyd has nothing to do with affirmative action. But let's listen to what the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. had to say about that.

"Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up." (from [i]Why We Can't Wait[/i])

or,

"All of America’s wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation." (from an interview with Alex Haley)

@LeopoldBloom You quoted: "For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up." (from Why We Can't Wait)"

Mr King is asking for aid. There is no aid in this ruthless world. You swim or you sink. This applies to all men, not just black ones in America. As you woke folks know, there is no God, no savior, just heartless people pretending to have hearts. A black man was given the top job as President of the USA, Barrack Obama. He was given the mandate by Americans to realize Mr King's dream.

@sree251 Apparently it went over your head. King was saying that affirmative action is necessary because the Black man wouldn't be able to catch up to his white counterparts without it. And his second quote addresses reparations, where he says that the entire wealth of America is insufficient to atone for centuries of oppression. Of course, those aren't the King quotes you hear on Fox News, where they only like the one about "content of character."

Obama's election, while historic, was not the end of racism in this country. If anything, it motivated white racists such as yourself.

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Obama's election, while historic, was not the end of racism in this country. If anything, it motivated white racists such as yourself."

Historic? Or was it a woke sham? This sham is going on and spreading. Hey, you are causing me to highjack my own topic. It is about the feminist, another specie you protect.

@sree251 So the Obama election was rigged [i][b]too[/b][/i]?
Signed, a feminist.

@Graylight You said: "So the Obama election was rigged too?"

All US elections are rigged to a certain degree. US Presidential elections are never free of manipulations of one kind or another. The very fact that you have two dominant political parties hogging the election, tells you that you either back their candidate or you watch the fray. Obama was similar to a dog picked by its handlers for a dogfight.

Government of the people, for the people, by the people? This lie has been going on for more than 200 years.

@sree251 Obama won both the popular vote and the electoral college. In 2008, the country had just entered a recession, which was blamed on Bush, so the voters wanted a Democrat. It didn't help that McCain chose a clown like Sarah Palin as his running mate. If McCain had picked Joe Lieberman (his first choice) he probably would have won.

In 2012, the Republicans nominated an out-of-touch businessman. Romney was also a Mormon, a denomination many Evangelicals consider demonic. So Obama's election was in part due to his personal qualities and part due to his opponents. Nothing to do with that meaningless word you keep repeating.

Feminism is the belief that women should be equal to men under the law and in practice. As an incel, that of course is unacceptable to you.

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Feminism is the belief that women should be equal to men under the law and in practice."

Gender identity is an illusion whereas the human body is not and it has a role in the natural scheme of things. Feminism is a selfish ideology that thwarts the natural order and disrupts the natural flow of human life.

@sree251 First, you assume two identical things are equal. And incidentally, it's thought that very few things in nature are 'equal.'
But none of that really matters, because we're not talking and physical objects. But if we were, we could say that two vehicles with the same engines that can each accelerate to 60mph in 6.2 seconds, we could call both of them equal to the task. But they'd still be two different models from two different makers. Not identical.

But, and I digress, people are what we;re talking about. And not just people's exteriors. We're discussing intangible things like valor, intellect, creativity, skills. Here the concepts of identity and equivalency seem to be expressed. So, do men have more integrity? Can women generally read faster? Are women better at being resourceful, are men capable of expressing emotion?

And please don't toss in, "Men are better protectors." Your the ones most likely to kill us. 35% of all murders of women are reported to be committed by an intimate partner. In the U.S., 55% of all homicides are abuse related. And that doesn't account for intentional murder plots, murders for hire, etc.

Are men and women essentially equal inside? Yup. We've simply conditioned and promulgated certain social myths.

@Graylight You said:"Are men and women essentially equal inside? Yup. We've simply conditioned and promulgated certain social myths."

Men and women are concepts of gender identity. And they are indeed myths we inhabit to conduct our assigned roles in society. Feminism considers us as common human digits, each one no different from another as components of society. Apart from the physical bodies we inhabit, we are separate individuals equal in all respects.

Did I get you right?

@sree251 You don't even get [i]feminism [/i]right. What kind of question is that?

@Graylight You said: "You don't even get feminism right. What kind of question is that?"

Nobody ever gets anything right. This is the whole point to discussion. Are you woke people here to educate dumb people?

@sree251 Considering how woke you are, are you here to educate [i]us[/i]?

I'd love to hear you try to define intersectionality, or to explain critical race theory.

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Considering how woke you are, are you here to educate us?"

I have spent the last ten years emptying my mind of the garbage that is known as education. And you take pride in stuffing in more of that rubbish.