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I'm all in favor of slavery reparations . . .

I'm completely in favor of slavery reparations . . .

But the current approach is untenable. Will 50 states have 50 different standards for qualification, and different payout formulas? California seems to be in the forefront of this issue – even though they were always a free state, and never had slavery. What's to stop black Americans from moving to California by the millions to get “their share”? The same sort of internal migration that is happening into legalized pot states to camp on sidewalks, collect welfare benefits, etc?

Reparations is an issue that needs guardrails around it – a national standard. I don't want some future supreme court case (“Ho v. Quaid”?) muddying the waters with a razor thin majority decision. One which declares some state programs legal, other illegal, and still others subject to 25 years of future litigation, as politicians hope for a “rebalancing” of the justices between political parties.

So . . in the interest of helping our great nation arrive at an equitable solution which applies to ALL states, here goes my list of suggestions

1. You cannnot collect slavery reparations if you moved here after the civil war. Period. Hard stop. Your ancestors were never slaves. And don't hurry to get your nieces and cousins over before the payout. Limited to ACTUAL descendants of slaves, not posers.

2. You cannot collect slavery reparations if you are in jail for a capital offense like murder. Or are a drug kingpin. Or have a net worth of millions because you're a big time rapper, Neo Nazi sneaker endorser, sports superstar, famous actor, etc. Back of the bus for you guys.

3. If you're behind on child support, your reparations check goes FIRST to your baby momma and her struggling kids. If there's any money left over, you can laugh all the way to the bank, homie . ..

4. A special tax – either one time, or ongoing – must be approved by congress to pay for slavery reparations. We are so NOT adding trillions more to the national debt because of this. Each American family already owes $300,000 in accumulated federal debt– this is why we're all living paycheck to paycheck. And no cutting federal funding for things like public schools, medical care, veterans benefits, etc. to cover reparations. These are important programs too.

5. The new tax – if and when it is implemented – is only applicable to you if your white ancestors arrived BEFORE the civil war. If they were refugees from world war 1, world war 2, korea, vietnam, etc … you can put a big fat zero in this line item on your tax return.

6. Acceptance of the reparations payment, and/or depositing the check, releases all federal, county, and municipal governments from future litigation and liability over slavery. It is not an admission of guilt – reparations are a good faith effort to redress grievous mistakes made by a bunch of people who died hundreds of years ago.

7. Chinese “coolie” labor, used to build parts of the transcontinental railroad, is not covered by this program

8. Whites who were brought to America under similar contract worker programs during colonial times are also excluded from collecting reparations – nannies; farmhands; lumberjacks; miners; shipwrights; stonemasons – these men (and women) were paid for their work, and in many cases got free land when their contracts were up. Some even went on to own slaves . .

9. Current H1B work visa holders are not eligible under this program. You may, in fact, be getting paid “below average wages” compared to native born programmers, engineers, and doctors . . .but you went into this with your eyes open. Look before you leap. You are NOT a slave, you're simply an exploited worker. And less exploited than uber drivers, Starbucks baristas, and amazon “pickers”.

10. Native Americans – Sorry, but I don't have a good answer for you. Most of YOUR ancestors stole their hunting grounds from other, more peaceful tribes, and kidnapped their women, and tortured their men to death. You should be ashamed. Continue to litigate, if you think you can make a case. We will watch your progress with “great interest”, as emperor Palpatine put it in that Star Wars prequel.

Are we good then? Still want to proceed? Okay – I see a hand up in the back. Yes – Rhode Island – what is your question? Okay, I heard that – this week one of your Latinx politicians proposed slavery reparations, even though you were among the most northern and free-est liberal states among the 13 colonies. WTF are you thinking? You even proposed payouts to white Rhode Island residents. Explain to me – and to America – why this isn't just some crazy stunt to swing votes in an election. I'm waiting . ..
losthorizons · 51-55, M Best Comment
You’re a fucking idiot.
PatKirby · M
@LordShadowfire

Emotional are we? Yes I did give it a review. It got the reply it deserved.

Did you not bother to read my rebuttal, or must it be pointed out for you? Your lack of awareness belies your prejudice as you've already decided, along with your cohort here, the outcome beforehand. Ergo, this amounts to no more than pedantic preaching from a decidedly leftist podium where you, and your muppet, can spew already-regugitated dogma.

Now run along and play in the street with the other children, boy, while the adults have a meaningful conversation.

PS - oh and by the way I, nor anyone else here, answer to you. Much less are obligated to care about your hurt feelings or what you have to say.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@LordShadowfire Apparently you missed my rebuttal.
That should make you feel better
losthorizons · 51-55, M
@PatKirby well said. Lol

HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
No Americans alive today were slaves. Neither were their parents or grandparents. What are you paying for here?

I've never owned slaves. My ancestors were in Italy when there was slavery in America. They never owned slaves either. I'm supposed to pay for reparations even though I wasn't involved?

And how do we put a price on reparations?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Spoiledbrat what do you mean?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Diotrephes For Mussolini or the Romans?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida
the theory evidently is; after 150 years of freedom, public education, college admission preferences, hiring preferences, etc black americans still can't compete. and maybe never will be able to. permanent politics of victimhood.

Based on your comment, you know Jack shit about American history.

"Auburn University was racially segregated prior to 1963, with only white students being admitted. Integration began in 1964 with the admittance of the first African-American student, Harold A. Franklin, who had to sue the university to gain admission to the graduate school and who was denied a degree after he completed his master's thesis; he was belatedly awarded the master's in history in 2020. The first degree granted to an African-American was in 1967."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_University

"From its inception until 1958, only white students were allowed to attend. In 1958, George H. Starke became the first Black student."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida#Integration

"After many years as a whites-only university, in 1962 Maxwell Courtney became the first African-American undergraduate student admitted to Florida State. In 1968 Calvin Patterson became the first African-American player for the Florida State University football team."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_University

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/4994514984/in/album-72157624428147638/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/5021387169/in/album-72157624428147638/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/5045211646/in/album-72157624428147638/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/4913833464/in/album-72157624428147638/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/5045382790/in/album-72157624428147638/


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MoonMoon · F
reparations for any crimes done by people that are already dead to people that are already is a stupid... be it slavery, war crimes or raiding...children can never bear responsibility for their parents crimes.
all you can do is make a better world now.
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@MoonMoon there is a sound legal precedent for this. if corporations cause the death of consumers through shoddy/illegal/poisonous/dangerous products, then damages are still owed, even though those corporate exectives may have been dead, or all fired when another corporation bought them out. simply running out the clock does not absolve one of reponsiblity.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida You mean like fdr throwing American citizens into concentration camps?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
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Sneedville · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 Reparations now, reparations tomorrow, reparations forever! I'm a reparationist, America needs to pay reparations for slavery.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Graylight · 51-55, F
Slavery in colonial California began with the systematic enslavement of indigenous Californians. The arrival of the Spanish colonists introduced chattel slavery and involuntary servitude to the area. White colonists from the Southern and Eastern United States brought their systems of organized slavery to California. In the 1950s and 1960s, racially restrictive covenants and redlining segregated Black Californians in many of the state’s largest cities.

A task force has been formed and absolutely no final figures on reparations has been reached.
Jason B. Johnson, "Slavery in Gold Rush Days -- New Discoveries Prompt Exhibition, Re-examination of State's Involvement," SFGate, January 27, 2007.
Smith, Stacey L. (2015). Freedom's Frontier: California and the Struggle over Unfree Labor, Emancipation, and Reconstruction.


The median wealth of Black households in the United States is $24,100, compared with $188,200 for white households, according to the most recent Federal Reserve Board Survey of Consumer Finances. States are free to make reparations as they see fit. No Big Government, right?

1. Yes, you absolutely can. Reparations are for enslavement and the results in societal inequity as a result of that injustice.

2. When you go to prison, your debt is paid upon release. You future shall not be determined or hindered by an old charge settled.

3. That's been the child support law for decades.

4. Don't worry about taxes. We did nothing to alleviate the lots of these people - no relief should be granted and there's more than enough money to be found.

5. Again, your arbitrary watermark of the Civil War betrays a patry understanding of history.

6. Yes, it's an admission of guilt. The actions then were wrong, the actions would be wrong today. White America is responsible and should state what the planet already knows.

7. Explain. They were already compensated? They volunteered? Again, it's all wrongs committed against a people, not putting manacles on their ankles.

8. Utter nonsense. Absolute bullshit. A Starbucks Barista who panics at lunchtime isn't Japanese-American who's family of 12 dies in an illegal internment camp on their own home soil.

9. Why would visa holders be included? Don't worry about all the little people taking stuff meant for you.

10. Well, if it wasn't clear to anyone already, this is nothing but pure racism and ignorance.

Learn history. Then talk about it.
Doomflower · 36-40, M
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Graylight yeah - you immediately leap to native americans, and ignore the issue of the actual slave trade of africans. better hope no #blacklivesmatter members catch up with you in the real world, snowflake . .
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SusanInFlorida
10. Native Americans – Sorry, but I don't have a good answer for you. Most of YOUR ancestors stole their hunting grounds from other, more peaceful tribes, and kidnapped their women, and tortured their men to death. You should be ashamed. Continue to litigate, if you think you can make a case. We will watch your progress with “great interest”, as emperor Palpatine put it in that Star Wars prequel.

You addressed Native Americans specifically. I replied to you regarding your racism specifically. You ijit.

But let's not forget your brilliant reference to...Star Wars.
TexChik · F
If you have scars on your wrists and ankles from the shackles , have a back covered with scars , have scarred hands from picking cotton ,are African American , and were actually alive and enslaved anytime between 1619-1865 then you might have a beef … with the person that enslaved you .
TexChik · F
@Diotrephes I'm not Jewish, so there's that.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@TexChik So, you will end up being one of their slaves for eternity.
TexChik · F
@Diotrephes Uh huh...
justbob · 61-69, M
A hundred and fifty years is a pretty long time. Everybody who ever owned a slave and thus should pay reparations is dead. So are all of their children and probably even all of their grandchildren.

Everybody who ever was a slave is dead. So are all of their children and probably even all of their grandchildren.

Everybody who might reasonably be expected to pay reparations for slavery is dead and so is everybody who might reasonably be expected to receive such reparations.

Nobody with a functioning brain seriously thinks that reparations make sense at this point in time.

It's like expecting Italy to pay reparations to Greece for how the Romans treated the Macedonians. Nobody alive today was a victim and nobody alive today is guilty.

The idea is so stupid that I have a hard time thinking that anybody coud credit it for any but some opportunistic selfish motive.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@BizSuitStacy Stop and frisk is a product of Jim Crow and sundown towns. If a Black person was in the "wrong" area at the wrong time the Slave patrollers could stop and frisk him or even throw him in jail.

"In 1936, Miami Beach enacted Ordinance 457, which required more than 5,000 seasonal workers at hotels, restaurants, and nightclubs, as well as domestic servants, to register with police and to be photographed and fingerprinted. Once registered, those workers — many of whom were black — had to carry ID cards at all times in the city.

Decades after the law was passed, Miami Beach Police would sometimes conduct spot checks to make sure workers were in compliance. Jet magazine reported in February 1952 that Miami Beach Police pulled over buses carrying "peaceful Negro commuters" and arrested 17 people for not complying with the law."
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/remembering-miami-beachs-shameful-history-of-segregation-and-racism-8306647

When Rudy G was NYC mayor, he really pushed stop and frisk as a way for the Slave Patrollers to harass Black people.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes live and learn. the media keeps telling us "stop and frisk" is a policy implemented by NYC and other metropolitcan police departments (under blue control for decades) intended to get guns off the streets, especially when concealed by "persons prohibited" (parolees and violent convicts). i never imagined that the rural south, with people living far apart in tar paper shacks, came up with this. why have the NYC police embraced it so emphatically?
@Diotrephes Blah blah blah...Jim Crow laws were implemented to legalize segregation. Stop and frisk isn't a law. And it didn't lead to segregation.

Thanks for playing.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
You know there were people from various European countries that were brought over to America and pressed into slavery. Children of parents who owed money and couldn’t repay for example. Are their descendants going to get $?
Carissimi · F
That money should be spent on freeing and rehabilitating slaves of today, not on people who were never slaves.

One argument is they are economically disadvantaged because of their heritage. While this may be a reason, there are millions of white, and other races that are also disadvantaged because of their heritage. Their ancestors were dirt poor. So regardless of the reason of why someone is economically disadvantaged, let’s help and protect the women, children (boys and girls) held in bondage (and suffering horribly) today. We cannot fix the past, but we can fix today.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Carissimi great reply. africa and the islamic world are responsible for virtually all of the slavery, human rights abuses of women, executions of gays, etc. And most US politicians give them a free pass
Carissimi · F
It’s happening right here in America, so the US is complicit in this terrible crime against humanity. @SusanInFlorida
I'm all for slavery reparations also, anyone who was a slave should be compensated, but since they are all dead now, I guess this should be a non-issue
carpediem · 61-69, M
Every person who was a slave prior to the Emancipation Proclamation deserves reparations. That’s where I’d draw the line.
hunkalove · 61-69, M
Woulda been a great idea in 1866. Now it's just politicians wanting money and power.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@hunkalove that, in fact, is the point i'm making in my final paragraph rant against rhode island. this is an election/political power scheme, every bit as much as:

1. unlimited immigration
2. restoring voting rights to convicted felons
3. voting without ID
4. the proposal to lower the voting age again, to 16
5. allowing illegal aliens to vote in "local elections", as first step to their participaton in federal elections
Doomflower · 36-40, M
I apmost admire how you put so much time and effort into being so wrong.

Graylight said everything I was gonna cover on this.

You're young and I presume, white. I was kinda similar until I got out of the echo chamber.
PatKirby · M
@SusanInFlorida

You proceed from a false assumption.

I believe those present here in defense, if I may use that word as it characterizes the adversarial discussion here appropriately, know what that assumptive elephant in the room is (as well as you, grudgingly I expect), and this is why your points are not being addressed.

Although you present a fine, well-structured and thought out, lucid argument it would likely be thrown out of court for lack of standing. Reason being what has already been covered repeatedly by others in this thread. Much less be considered on merit. Recommendation: choose your battles carefully.

Not to lose hope however as this is a good thing for you because it develops and builds your knowledge, skills, and abilities towards debate and argumentation. Just not in a successful direction here. Allowing a proper mix of logic and emotionalism to appropriately flow in order to convince the gallery is a bit like a good pugilist in the ring, hitting high and hitting low will get them there. But the cause must be fair and just. Have you considered a Juris Doctor law degree? Lucrative career pathway I understand.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@PatKirby your plea that for censorship is noted. and rejected. carry on. if you think your positions are too weak to withstand debate, don't raise them in the first place, maybe?
PatKirby · M
@SusanInFlorida

You've overruled. Accept reality that stares you in the face.


Btw, sorry for misidentifying you as someone with a future in law. The industry would probably disbar/disown you. You're messed up, seek help now.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
In case you didn't know it, December 6 is Black Independence Day, when the 13th Amendment ending traditional slavery in America took effect on December 6 in 1865. But, it did not abolish slavery, which is still legal although it is in violation of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

This past November four States abolished slavery by amendments to their State constitutions. Louisiana did not.

Four states voted to abolish slavery, but not Louisiana. Here's why
10 November
"Alabama, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont all voted on Tuesday to remove exemptions allowing slavery or involuntary servitude from their state constitutions in an effort to ban slavery entirely.

But with all ballots counted from Tuesday's midterm elections, six out of every 10 Louisiana voters opposed the amendment.

In order for the 13th Amendment to be changed, it would require a two-thirds majority from both chambers of US Congress, or by a constitutional convention in which two-thirds of state legislatures vote to support the change.

There are still more than a dozen states that include language permitting slavery and involuntary servitude for prisoners, according to the Associated Press news agency. Several other states make no mention of slavery or forced prison labour."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63578133

Blacks did not become American citizens until July 9, 1868.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes okay thanks for the history update. you left out "juneteenth", which has bizarrely become a paid holiday for workers in several states. does your reply mean you support my suggestion for guidelines about reparations? thanks for not posting an obscene one line reply, i guess.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida IMO, "juneteenth" is a BS holiday without any real meaning. It has no national significance whereas December 6 does have national significance for all Americans. "Juneteenth" could be a Texas holiday because that was the first date that Black people could be free in Texas. It was a regional matter and not a national matter.
dale74 · M
What about the true history of slavery and the fact that slavery still exists. And why should a person be charged with paying if none of their ancestors owned slaves.
How does it work for Obama? Kenyan father and a white mother. Does he pay reparations to himself?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@BizSuitStacy he's excluded under the "famous millionaire" rule i suggested above. anyway, his father was a post-civil war immigrant who only married a white woman for a green card/citizenship
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@BizSuitStacy
Blah blah blah...Jim Crow laws were implemented to legalize segregation. Stop and frisk isn't a law. And it didn't lead to segregation.

Thanks for playing.

Stop and frisk were the enforcers of segregation. Christian churches were one of the main pushers of segregation.

Stop and frisk is the law in seven states =
"Seven states (Arizona, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, New Mexico, Ohio, and Vermont) explicitly impose a criminal penalty for noncompliance with the obligation to identify oneself."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes#:~:text=Seven%20states%20(Arizona%2C%20Florida%2C,the%20obligation%20to%20identify%20oneself.

Stop and Identify States 2022
Twenty-three U.S. states have "stop and identify" laws.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/stop-and-id-states

Such laws are in violation of Article 13 of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights =
"Article 13
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."
https://www.un.org/en/udhrbook/pdf/udhr_booklet_en_web.pdf

You really don't have freedom of movement if you are constantly being harassed by the Slave Patrollers. And remember, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the law of the land, which the US constantly violates.
@Diotrephes Still on this nonsense? No amount of internet links will justify it.

Jim Crow laws were implemented to legalize segregation. Stop and frisk isn't a law. And it didn't lead to segregation.

Once again, thanks for playing.
MonaReeves86 · 36-40, F
I don’t believe in reparations why should Americans who didn’t Choose slavery pay for what their ancestors who are dead pay
Oh yeah because black people can be bought. @SusanInFlorida
You can pay my share. @SusanInFlorida
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Spoiledbrat yeah - that's the attitude of all the tax cheats in america too. me first, and screw you. you may actually be in the majority, as far as financial strategies go, however.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida
But the current approach is untenable. Will 50 states have 50 different standards for qualification, and different payout formulas? California seems to be in the forefront of this issue – even though they were always a free state, and never had slavery. What's to stop black Americans from moving to California by the millions to get “their share”? The same sort of internal migration that is happening into legalized pot states to camp on sidewalks, collect welfare benefits, etc?

California was indeed a slave state.

Uncovering California’s overlooked slave past
Though California was admitted to the Union as a “free state,” slavery still existed there in 1850s.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna4251957

The Lesser-Known History of Slavery in California

https://hyperallergic.com/494309/california-bound-california-african-american-museum/

Slavery By Another Name
Today it’s the site of a federal courthouse in Los Angeles. But in the mid-19th century, a stretch of Main Street in downtown Los Angeles was a flourishing slave market. Native Californians were sold in auctions there from about 1850 to 1870—thanks to a state law nefariously called the 1850 Act for the Government and Protection of Indians

https://www.aclunc.org/sites/goldchains/explore/native-american-slave-market.html
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes congratulations. you have found several obscure websites which contradict Wikipedia and the accepted narrative of US history. NBC also told us Hillary was going to win the 2016 election in a landslide. Do you believe they were accurate then, too?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida Some people were turned off by the Clintons' racism, Bill's behavior, and Hillary's claim of entitlement. Plus, they knew that the orange traitor would screw things up so badly that hell would freeze over before another Repub becomes President.
dale74 · M
Also are you paying just the oldest living in family like if the grand parents are alive do they get a check his kids grand kids and great grand children
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
It's a similar to what happens to 'compensate' indigenous people here, in the USA, and in other countries. Because few if any people still alive today had anything to do with the 'sins of the past' it's difficult to justify saying that people alive today with no connection to those things are 'responsible' and should 'pay'. But at the same time indigenous cultures should be afforded the same level of recognition - and this is where the problem arises because they are not.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@zonavar68 i specifically addressed the tragic native american situation at the end of my post, which many people did not successful make it to. and the current legal argument (by the government) is that "native lands and reservations" are a binding legal resolution agreed to by both parties regarding previous real estate disputes. whether the american indians had informed consent or adequate legal representation at the time is part of the debate.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Modern slavery exists in all societies, and in almost all workplaces. Slavery didn't 'die out' - it just got hidden better.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@zonavar68 The old office plaque used to read ."They cant fire me.. Slaves have to be sold" But sometimes it is a fine distinction....😷
Spotpot · 41-45, M
Not just for slavery but for Jim Crow that set the black community back sharply.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Spotpot Which means shutting down the demonocrat party, which instituted those policies
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
I'm not...Repaying for the sins of the fathers doesnt work. Instead take that money and apply it to equal opportunity for education, housing, health care and nutrition for those disadvantages through being the descendants of Slaves. (And lets extend that to all to be sure no one is left behind again.)😷
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman that's a rational approach. one that has given us

1. the world's most costly public schools, with the highest compensated teachers, and the highest dropout rates
2. 4 decades of college admission preferences, with no beneficial outcome
3. section 8 housing projects which are immediately stripped of their plumbing and copper wire by addicts.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida I cant argue with any of that.. But I dont see those as connections to the idea of equality of opportunity, when you throw in Americans overall approach to health care and education. I see that as a larger outcome of society overall. I am sorry I dont have the formula to fix it..But to paraphrase the old joke about a guy asking directions.. "If I wanted to go there, I wouldnt start from here." Simply throwing money at people after 200 years of shorting them to say "sorry" isnt going to achieve anything..😷
calicuz · 56-60, M
Hell, the money the DEA makes from importing Fentanyl to the U.S. could pay for it all.
revenant · F
Why am I feeling you are playing the devil's advocate ?
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
There aren't many "United" things about the United States.
This is so ridiculous and out of touch it makes my head hurt.
The national debt is not why people are struggling. You can blame wage stagnation for that.

H-1B must be paid the same as corresponding US workers. Failure to do that is a violation of federal law.
@SusanInFlorida Nonsense. First, the national debt is being paid down all the time. As old bonds are cashed in, they're paid off. Second, as long as we have inflation, money borrowed now is paid back in cheaper future dollars. No serious economist outside of the Ludwig von Mises institute thinks government debt is a problem.

Government debt has literally nothing to do with any of the things you listed. As for "legitimate government programs," that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? We always seem to have enough money for the military, which uses half of discretionary spending.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LeopoldBloom you evidently don't live on planet earth. every american who reads newspapers know that the national debt goes up by billions every year. i bet you bounce a lot checks in your personal life too, right?
@SusanInFlorida I didn't say the national debt doesn't go up. I said it doesn't matter if it goes up as long as inflation exists. If you think a sovereign country is the same as a household, you're really not qualified to discuss this.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Bodymindsoul Funny, the same kind of people who say something like that will fight a Starbucks manager to get the $4.03 they think they're entitled to.
Universal entitlements correct inequality.
Doing nothing won't.

So, nothing it must be! America lies always.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So what slaves are you going to make said reparations to?
Ah. "InFlorida" that explains this mess.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
I generally don’t approve of restitution without a legal demonstration of individual harm, but with possible exceptions for broader social policy. For example, affirmative action for a limited period of time post civil rights legislation.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I actually like the rules you came up with there.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LordShadowfire thank you. and i always compliment the people who agree with me as 'very smart', lol
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
Why are you for reparations and who should pay who?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@SusanInFlorida 'i can't think of the answers myself, that's why congress should do it. You are unbelievably stupid for thinking about things though'.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@pianoplayingsteve when i tried to visit yorur profile, SW flashes the following warning:

This user has been warned due to multiple violations of our Terms of Service.
Reason: Inappropriate comments or posts

evidently you are a scourge upon this website, lol. and lack any self control or awareness. enjoy your pariah-dom
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@pianoplayingsteve Throw all kinds of BS at the wall, some is sure to stick.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Spoiledbrat The government says differently. It can take whatever it wants from you, including your life.
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SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes this is one of most concise and cogent replies of this thread. we are now far afield of what the founding fathers envisioned when they drafted the constitution. "case law' - both in the lower courts and federal courts - as well regulations written by unelected federal bureaucrats, has superseded many of our constitutional guarantees. we are paying the price for laziness and mendacity on the part of legitimate elected representatives.

 
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