Ukraine will become a member of NATO while still at war with Russia

@helenS NATO countries need to be able to combine with Ukraine to force Russia to pull back its troops.

@justanothername Do you have children?

@helenS please stay on topic and stop deflecting.

@spjennifer [quote]as long as Russia stays within the Ukrainian border, NATO will not act[/quote]
It's a bit like "As long as those punks are in your house, the police can't help you, unfortunately"

@spjennifer Yup - despite the nonsense spouted by putin, NATO is a purely defensive organisation.
If the russians bring their genocidal behaviour to a NATO member they'll get a very severe reminder that they're a Potemkin country with an army that's a global joke.

@newjaninev2 Sometimes I wonder if Poteen realizes just how much total might NATO has as an organization, they would be crushed pretty quickly should they tangle with NATO.

@Heartlander tbh, those weapons didn't belong to Ukraine as an independent Nation, they were weapons of the Soviet Union and were given to Russia. The [i]Budapest Memorandum[/i], signed by Ukraine, Russia, the UK and United States was supposed to "promise that none of the nations would use force or threats against Ukraine and all would respect its sovereignty and existing borders. The agreement also vowed that, if aggression took place, the signatories would seek immediate action from the United Nations Security Council to aid Ukraine." The only country to not respect that has been Russia. The Ukrainian People wanted the weapons gone too.

@LordShadowfire And like most liberals you resort to what Chomsky termed worthy and unworthy victims based on whoever is in line with US imperialism this week.


And proving once again the instant there is anything more substantial in terms of stakes than a hypothetical liberals and the right always end up on the same side.


But whatever. Keep up the cognitive dissonance and lying to yourself and others as to why the west is never responsible for the consequences of their imperialist foreign policy.

The battle cry of liberals everywhere "imperialism is bad....but only when others do it.....and responses to American imperialism is always bad."

This has fuck all to do with Putin. Literally any leader who is not a traitor would respond in a hostile manner to an aggressive imperialist puppet state being installed on their border.

But Vicki Nuland gets a pass because well Americans are always right.


The only difference between a neo con and a liberal interventionist is the excuses for the conquest.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]As usual you have to go out of your way to misrepresent everything I say.[/quote]
Not really.

@LordShadowfire Actually that is exactly what you do on a regular basis. You seem to love engaging in slander when it comes to me. And it has been so frequent it is a pattern of behavior at this point.

@sree251 [quote]There are no good war movies that show us in a good light.[/quote]
Send them bad ones

@sree251 Turns out NATO and the US are the paper tigers. It was off to a rough start for Russia but that has definitely changed. And with Ukraine now putting a general in charge that his own forces call the butcher that is not likely to go any better.

All this because Vicki Nuland and co fucked around and found out and poor and working class Ukrainians and Russians are dying because of it.

@jshm2 Neither russia nor the so-called 'russian federation' has ever been voted in as a member of the UN.
Their presence is based on tolerance and pretence - like so many things about russia.

@jshm2 You’re confusing NATO with the UN Security Council. Russia has no say as to who joins NATO, it’s purely up to the member states.

@sunriselover it isn't either-or.

We can deal with both simultaneously.

russia can be disposed of any time our tolerance runs out... they're merely an irritant

@sunriselover Nobody cares about Palestine beyond an excuse to complain about Israel.

@Pitchblue Maybe because the US overthrew the government of that same country (Ukraine) and installed a hostile puppet state?


Give you two guesses what would happen if Iran carried out a coup in Mexico City and put in a puppet government run by the Republican Guard.

@Khenpal1 I think a more accurate comparison would be a slower burn WW1 but agree with the rest.

@Roundandroundwego Why do we "need to disband NATO"?

That's just what we need, a Theological Academic who's never had a job in the real world and can't decide which Party he belongs in, sure...

Sarcasm intended

@Roundandroundwego Vote Cornel West, he needs a bigger paycheck.