Ukraine will become a member of NATO while still at war with Russia

@gol979 Sadly Gorby and Ed believed the US could be trusted at their word.

Pretty sure Kiev is east of Berlin.

@gol979 @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow So we should do nothing when our allies are invaded.

@LordShadowfire Literally none of this would be happening if the US hadn't toppled the Ukrainian government and created a hostile puppet state on their border.


Quit pretending otherwise. Not even the Washington Post is keeping up that lie anymore.

And this is after 40 years of lying and breaking every agreement that ended the cold war as referenced in the original post.

You might want to brush up on your history and the politics of the region before looking like a fool.


And anyway NATO's involvement has just kept more people dying for no reason on both sides.

It also won't change the outcome so false hope to support a tin pot dictator and throw more men (and likely women soon) into the meat grinder only benefits Washington. Since this is all about fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian for the US and NATO.

And Ukraine is not a NATO member and NATO has not responsibility to do anything.

One thing it has done is made Ukraine 100% dependent economically and militarily on the US like a colony.....almost like that was the point.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@LordShadowfire And the fact that you think this can be reduced to a meme just proves my point that you have no idea what is going on and just parrot whatever the "liberal" media tells you to think. But you are not even up to date on that propaganda.



And as for the first statement in your little meme literally everyone who has left a warzone in human history were moving against their will so you could say that about literally every conflict going back to the iron age and be technically correct so it is a nonsense statement.

If you are claiming people are being removed by force than in that case you would require evidence to support such claims.

And quoting the Kiev Post is not evidence just to head that off right away.


And even if we assume it is true. Just because a bad thing happened that doesn't magically change history or absolve people who started this mess.

That is the mindset of a small child.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@LordShadowfire And this is why foreign policy is not discussed at the kid's table.

@LordShadowfire so we should send billions in tax (theft) payer money for murder machines to be sent to insane war in another country. I and millions of others do not consent. You keep banging that war drum and dancing to the war pigs tune

@LordShadowfire There are no good guys in this as much as you desperately want to pretend otherwise. And quit pretending this is just about Ukraine and not a proxy war. Not even mainstream liberal media is pretending this is true anymore. I am not pretending that saving one of the most corrupt countries on earth that former ministers and even American NGOs are calling a dictatorship hat millions of Ukrainians didn't even want to fight to save is somehow the bastion of good in your little comic book narrative.


The country that destroyed Ukraine is where you live. Again not even your liberal media is pretending otherwise anymore. Americans fucked around and found out and Ukraine is paying the price for the stupidity of the people you voted for.

And I hate to tell you this but the USSR doesn't exist. You and the right wing can stop with the cold war tropes now. It has been 30 years.

This has fuck all to do with a country that doesn't exist.

And what you or I want doesn't matter. But you are the one supporting prolonging a lost war and getting more people killed for American imperial colonization of eastern Europe.

It does speak volumes that you don't actually engage anything that is actually happening or any points made and just parrot cliches from 2014.


And do tell us how throwing billions more when we know most of it is being pocketed and about 80% of weapons don't make it to the front lines and gets sold on the black market.

Not that I am surprised that someone who lives in the US thinks you can solve every foreign policy issue with endless blank cheques. Look at DOD. What are we at? 6 failed audits?

Maybe for once try actually engaging with what is actually discussed instead of just dropping memes and decade old talking points.

@LordShadowfire ooooo my opinion has been noted. Are you going to report back that this nasty person quoted someone saying NATO wouldnt move an inch to the east and that i do not consent to insane war? Hilarious 😂

@LordShadowfire And like most liberals you resort to what Chomsky termed worthy and unworthy victims based on whoever is in line with US imperialism this week.


And proving once again the instant there is anything more substantial in terms of stakes than a hypothetical liberals and the right always end up on the same side.


But whatever. Keep up the cognitive dissonance and lying to yourself and others as to why the west is never responsible for the consequences of their imperialist foreign policy.

The battle cry of liberals everywhere "imperialism is bad....but only when others do it.....and responses to American imperialism is always bad."

This has fuck all to do with Putin. Literally any leader who is not a traitor would respond in a hostile manner to an aggressive imperialist puppet state being installed on their border.

But Vicki Nuland gets a pass because well Americans are always right.


The only difference between a neo con and a liberal interventionist is the excuses for the conquest.