Political discourse seems to have succumb to nothing more than a trans debate.
Like there are other and real issues that could be discussed but conservatives have nothing to offer so they just instrumentalise an existing bias to fuel what is called "culture war". Aren't you tired of this? Don't you think there are other topics?
Also dehumanizing people reminds me of a dark period in history I assume you don't want to recreate.
Then how do you explain lower crime rates, better education, better health, and higher standards of living in blue states?
The idea that people are fleeing blue states for red ones is an oversimplification. People are leaving the midwest and rural areas in the South for Florida and cities in Texas. This includes people leaving rural Texas. So much for your theory.
Also, the obsession you people have developed around trans is weird. We're talking 1% of the country. How does this personally affect you? Other than having to live in a country with people you don't like.
A Republican is someone who considers themselves "tolerant" because they go swimming in the same ocean foreigners are swimming in.
Crime And Threats Cause People and Businesses To Move January 18, 2021 by admin 911 Photo-Crime And Moving 911 Photo-Crime And Moving Highlights Per Gallup, “when Americans felt under threat in their daily lives,” they express a desire to move. 48% now prefer to live in a town or rural area, up from 39% in 2018. We have respected sources telling us that people may move, they are purchasing guns and security devices in record numbers and that fear of crime is at an all-time high. “I’m gonna leave this city-Got to get away-I’m gonna leave this city-Got to get away-Well, all this fussing and fighting-Man, you know I sure can’t stay,” Canned Heat Author Leonard Adam Sipes, Jr. Retired federal senior spokesperson. Thirty-five years of directing award-winning public relations for national and state criminal justice agencies. Interviewed multiple times by every national news outlet. Former Senior Specialist for Crime Prevention for the Department of Justice’s clearinghouse. Former Director of Information Services, National Crime Prevention Council. Former Adjunct Associate Professor of criminology and public affairs-University of Maryland, University College. Former advisor to presidential and gubernatorial campaigns. Former advisor to the “McGruff-Take a Bite Out of Crime” national media campaign. Certificate of Advanced Study-Johns Hopkins University. Former police officer. Aspiring drummer. Editorial This is a follow-up to Gun Purchases Hit Record Highs-Why? where I stated that “From the recent disgraceful storming of the Capitol resulting in the horrific death of a Capitol Police officer to protests-riots-looting resulting in two billion dollars in insurance claims Riot Insurance Claims to rising violent crime and fear of crime Crime in the US to the pandemic to lack of trust in government Pew to endless questions about the accuracy and reliability of the media Columbia Journalism Review, institutions seem to have lost their ability to tell the truth, to protect citizens, and to hold lawbreakers accountable. From firearm purchases to an explosion in personal and home security devices to people leaving cities and suburbs, Americans are concerned about their safety. Reports of businesses moving (or considering moving) exist. The endless media stories about police officers leaving the job and recruitment down 63 percent doesn’t help. Note Gallup (below) doesn’t cite increasing violence in their analysis, focusing instead on the pandemic or 911 terrorism. Gallup doesn’t measure people moving, just those expressing a preference as to where they would like to live. Moving There are endless articles about people moving from cities-metro areas because of COVID and crime. But beyond media accounts, the collective, multi-year data from Gallup is the only empiric indicator that I’m aware of regarding movement away from cities/suburbs. A Gallup theme is, “when Americans felt under threat in their daily lives,” they express a desire to move. Today’s threats seem overwhelming to many. Crime Related Moves It’s highly likely that people will start moving out of the big cities. Watching the footage of the aftermath of the carnage created in Minneapolis is both heartbreaking and frightening. Companies will consider relocating their office buildings into the suburbs. It will be seen as too dangerous to remain, Forbes. “People Can’t Flee These US Cities Fast Enough” is the title of a recent article from Moneywise that mostly focuses on crime, not COVID. Crimes committed over the past several days would’ve been unheard of a year ago in the quiet neighborhood that’s home to Lincoln Center and restaurants. A 40-year-old woman was randomly stabbed in the 72nd Street subway station at noon Thursday; a 56-year-old man was sucker-punched while dining outdoors with his wife Wednesday night; photos were posted online of a man masturbating on the steps of the New York Historical Society; and onlookers witnessed an apparent overdose in the aisle of a Duane Reade across the street from the Lucerne Hotel, NY Post. There is data as to moving companies in NYC being booked solid, Daily Mail. There is a question from the New York Times whether NYC is worth it partially based on crime, New York Times. The Minneapolis Star Tribune writes about “exhausted” cities and crime, Star Tribune. Another great migration is underway–Black Americans are leaving big cities for the suburbs, Globe and Mail. Three major shocks now threaten to upend that urban renaissance: The coronavirus is preying on densely packed places; anger over policing is producing social unrest reminiscent of earlier eras; and strained city and state budgets could prolong their economic pain, Wall Street Journal. Businesses are leaving cities because of police defunding, crime, and riots: NewsBreak, Fox Business, Chicago Business, Yahoo Money There are reports of Amazon partially moving out of Seattle partially because of protests and crime, New York Post. See more at People And Businesses Moving Because Of Crime. Gallup (quotes rearranged for brevity) As 2020 came to an end, close to half of Americans expressed a preference for living in either a town or rural area rather than a city or suburb, a distinct increase from 2018, when about four in 10 thought country living was ideal. Current attitudes are similar to those recorded in October 2001, the only other time Gallup has asked Americans this question. That reading, like today’s but unlike the 2018 one, was taken during a time of great national upheaval — shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when the public was still on edge about the potential for more terrorism occurring in densely populated areas. Americans’ heightened preference since 2018 for living in a town or rural area is seen across demographic groups, including equal proportions of men and women. But three groups — namely, non-White Americans, Republicans and residents of the South — have shifted more strongly, with 12- or 13-point increases, Gallup. Chart Crime And Moving Crime And Moving Gallup-Fear Of Crime Americans are more likely to perceive crime in the U.S. as having increased over the prior year (78%) than they have been at any point since 1993, Gallup. Conclusions We have respected sources telling us that people may move, they are purchasing guns and security devices in record numbers and that fear of crime is at an all-time high. Some commenting on my articles tell me that they are fed up with crime and grime, the riots, and the justice system’s response. They perceive a lack of accountability for rioters and lawbreakers in general. Cities, especially those experiencing protests/riots/looting and explosive violent crime and fear of crime will not only lose citizens but economic investment. Cities and suburbs may lose big. People want safety. They want orderly communities with good schools. They want good jobs. Exploding violent crime destroys all that and more. The vast majority of the crime discussion focuses on criminal justice reform, not holding offenders accountable for their actions. Is that scaring people into believing that their communities will be less safe? The overwhelming number of Americans, regardless of who they are, want peaceful communities and accountability for offenders. Unless we can reverse the desire to move and the perceived need for personal ownership of firearms or security devices, cities and suburbs will flounder.
@jackjjackson Just anecdotes. "Preferred place to live" doesn't mean people are actually moving, as my own Allied Van Lines citation showed. I'd like to live in Tahiti, that doesn't mean I'm moving there. This is just the media whipping people up into a frenzy. As for businesses, downtown districts emptied out during COVID and employers figured out that they don't need as many people in the office every day. This was bound to happen eventually, COVID just accelerated it.
Also, I'd be skeptical of any website called "Crime in America" as their focus is obviously just on crime. It appears to be the work of one guy, Leonard Sipes, who doesn't even merit a Wikipedia entry. He has written a book about media strategy, and has a podcast and a blog, the last entry of which is a positive review of Zelensky's speech to Congress on Dec. 30, 2022.
I'm not saying the guy is a crank, but crime is clearly his main focus, so I wouldn't conclude that "people are moving mainly due to crime" from this.
Attitude toward crime is based on perception, which for most people is garnered from the media. Overall, violent crime has plummeted since it peaked around 30 years ago. There has been a small spike in the murder rate since COVID ended, but still nowhere near what it used to be.
@Ozdharma Trump didn't trash this country, Biden didn't trash this country. We the people trashed this country, because we are letting, not the democrats or the republicans trash it, we are letting our whole government trash it. They are doing this by keeping us separated. That's been their plan all along. Until we can come together and realize that, we lose. So, it will be the majority of this countries fault. We the people!
They already are fleeing, just visited a friend in Texas, what used to be a farm across the street is now McMansions purchased by people from California.
@jackjjackson I do apologise for having something relevent to say to someone else in your thread. I was pretty sure nothing you had to say was worth a direct comment. 😷
@jackjjackson Well, then the people we sold it to missed out, because they're still there. But then, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe they were holding out until it got to a million.
That house was not worth $750K. It's not even worth $535. Portland, like the rest of the West Coast, is insanely inflated. What's interesting is that here in Savannah, our property's value has increased steadily. It didn't peak in 2019; in fact, it was only worth a little more that year than what we paid for it in 2008.
@DCarey Actually majored in history and took many geography courses. you don't live down here do you? yeah, didn't think so. for the most part, our immigrants are coming by sea. if you build walls across the top border, that is not going to help. now, go insult someone else
@specman Almost all of the big cities in America are run by Democrats, so this doesn't prove anything. If you want to know which policies work best, you have to go by states.
@specman No, because big cities always have more crime. It's like that in every country. That's why if you want to know which laws and policies work, you have to go by states. But you won't do that because you're too chickenshit to admit that blue states have less crime than red states.
