New York passes gun laws......

@Notanymore Fine, but let's not bring gods or religion into it. Too many people are already irrational about important social issues.

@chrisCA fair. Naturally inherent will suffice?

@chrisCA i am talking about the god given right to protect your life.i know a lot about the second amendment but the right to protect your life has been for ever and the second amendment is not the only way of doing that but as of now it is the best way.if you are anti gun thats your first amendment right and it is also my first amendment right to speak about how i feel about my second amendment right as it is yours to speak against it.

@TexChik I'm not worried. I don't luve there. Just curious on the general opinions from new Yorkers

@Notanymore They have elected a crew of loathsome socialists that care not for the rule of law, only what the party narrative is.

Yep. @Notanymore

@Imsleepy elaborate please

@Imsleepy Excellent. Now the thieves will have full reign, unencumbered by any fear of being shot by a law abiding citizen protecting his family and home

@MrBrownstone hell hasn't frozen over.

@zonavar68 why do you people have to bring up trump or party politics in every reply?

@Scribbles i have a great idea for you lets keep our guns to protect our self and our children and ban automobiles.as they kill more people in the u.s. than guns do and while we are at it lets take our police departments guns and our armys guns away also that way no one will ever die

Let's not stop there...let's apply this to all the top 12 leading causes of death:
Heart disease
Cancer
Accidents (most commonly:poisoning, falling, car)
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
Stroke
Alzheimer’s disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide
Septicemia
Chronic liver disease

How's that gun helping you preserve you and your family's life with the causes of 75 percent of deaths each year? Has that bullet stopped diabetes yet? No? Then why do you even have it? What good is it? Nothing!

I get it people have guns like people have umbrellas. Somehow it's going to keep the rain away... But statistically speaking- it's not. I get that it's an emotional thing to worry about self defense and your families self defense, and nothing seems too crazy and holding something to pacify your fear and feel some measure of power and control of a shit situation- just in case you do need to use it feels like EVERYTHING. Everything. It's fucking lifeline, a miracle machine to save a loved one.

So why wouldn't you be prepared obsessively for a super scary event that might happen a fraction of a percent on any given day? It might happen. And if you've experienced any violent or traumatic experience/experiences or live a risky life it feels.even more likely to happen. And yeah, depending on some variables like where or how you live increases the chance of violence dramatically. Violence is a daily reality for some people.

I do get it. I once carried a tire iron and baseball bat in my car for self defense for a couple months at one point in my life. I've bluffed my way out of midrape with a knife at my throat. I once carried a knife with me. Took self defense classes. But I personally draw the line at carrying a gun casually. Because I know I'd panic and just use the gun and kill someone instead of even considering anything else. Oddly, it feels more powerless to me to have a gun then without. So I opt out so I have more choices rather then one choice because of my flight and flight response. You maybe have better reactions then me. But feel free to judge away because I do self defense a little differently because I don't want to ever cause a gun death. If I kill someone, I don't want it to be as easy as pulling a trigger. Perhaps I have too much rage in me to use a gun. And too much mercy for those that I think don't deserve death. But I don't fault someone for protecting another or oneself by using a gun. It's good to protect. And In some ways I get that it's like splitting hairs over tools for the same job.

You mention burglary alot, so I looked this up: It's far more likely for someone to die in other gun homicide or gun accident related deaths then by burglary (0.75 percent).

So, yeah... what about the danger to your family because of others having a gun? Could be someone with an anger management problem with a gun, could be a teenager shooting up the neighborhood in the passenger seat of his friend's car. Or the danger of a reckless person owning an auto mobile. Or anyone eating a McDonald's hamburger over and over?

Once again, I point out the accountability and responsibility aspect behind laws. Like what New York is doing with guns that you are all upset about. They are not taking away guns. Or a right to self defense. As I've repeated over and over and over.
Control is NOT a ban.

If you own a vehicle you are somewhat accountable and responsible for, you have the car registered. You take a test, you do driver's Ed. You get a license renewed. Their are laws about use of cars, and safety. You get pulled over by police if you don't obey them and get ticketed. You can get a license revoked. You can get fined, You can go to jail for manslaughter if you run people over in a reckless rage during a Christmas parade... No republican is complaining about a lack of right to have a car that I know of.

Anyway...New York wants similar accountability and responsibility.for guns. Yet lots of people are claiming such infringes on their right to have a gun.

Will it be a little more of a hassle to get a gun legally? Yes. But so is buying and operating a car legally. Why is that a bad thing? Is there more good in making owning a gun as easy as buying an apple then a car? Would you be unable to own a gun due to New York's new rules? And are worried?

Perhaps if we do as the UK and many other countries do...someday we will find that gun control measures protect your family from gun violence far more then you carrying a gun around obsessively does. Criminals and police won't even have guns. We won't have to worry about mass shootings, drive bys, shits fired at the grocery store or when police pulled someone over on the highway one day. Perhaps we will find other ways to deal with a home invasion then pointing or firing a gun-like so many other countries' people do. And their will be more knife fights and wounds, but less deaths. they all seem horrified by the gun violence we have in America. perhaps we could learn something from them. Perhaps we won't excuse all the homicides and mass shootings because we are scared of a one in a million chance of something truly bad happening and actually being there and have the time to react and fire a gun.

I guess you can't be a good guy with a gun without allowing "bad guys" with guns to run around. Thing is most people don't start off as bad guys.
And thing is-you can be a good guy without a gun. And you can be a good guy with a gun who registers his gun and get a permit and does gun training and gets screened for mental illness.

That's what I think anyway.

No doubt, we'll agree to disagree and you'll wish someone would teach me a lesson via wishing a home invasion with intent to harm and a lack of police to me all over again-as though that will suddenly change my mind about guns and make everything all better again. And who knows maybe if it was bad enough and broke me it would change my mind, and if I didn't kill myself, I'd carry a gun everywhere. Hell of a way to convert people into gun owners, don't you think? At least Brownstone just wants me to leave the country.

I'm glad your thoughts on guns are defensively minded. I've been around people who would rather cause trouble with guns before. It wasn't good.

Anyway, I hope you live somewhere with little violence and never ever have to use any of your guns, and I hope your guns are never part of any accidental deaths or suicides either. It sounds like you try to keep them locked up, which is good.

@Scribbles i dont wish a home invasion to you or anybody.i wish yu the right to hate guns if you desire to as that is your right as it is my right to own a gun. in my state to get a pistol permit you have to have a background check through the police records and not be a convicted felon{ever}be finger printed through the local police and the prints are checked through the feds then intervued by the police chief.this permit is good for 5 years and it has my picture a finger print and a 5 year experation date then you have to go through a renewal all over again and that is for every5 years.people in my state do not get a permit if they are a convicted felon.the permit can also be revoked for any good reason at any time.it is not handed out like a bag of popcorn

@TexChik could you tell that to the 10 year old that’s been raped by her father and is now pregnant and has to carry a baby to term? Or to the mother that has to carry a baby who doesn’t have a skull formed?

Most women I know that have gotten an abortion are not using it as a form of birth control. It’s because the forms of birth control they used failed.

It is 100% about controlling women. If this was applicable to a man and taking their rights about you can be damn sure it wouldn’t be happening.

@iamonfire696 I was that girl, just didn’t get pregnant. While states say they are declining all abortions because every woman who carelessly got herself knocked up would claim they were raped . However I know for a fact that with verification by LE and medical, red states will allow it .

@TexChik but they are not allowing it in those states. It’s funny that you don’t want your freedoms taking away but you are okay with the government having a say over your body. All I can think of is cognitive dissonance.

@Spoiledbrat criminals will still have their guns

Yep @Notanymore

@badminton
And then attack the defenseless law abiding citizen.

@Budwick Gun control DOES NOT mean citizens can't buy guns. It establishes screening laws to prevent dangerous, unfit people from buying guns and ammo. It's like airport screening security. That doesn't prevent people from getting on planes. Screening protects everyone by detecting dangerous people. Gun control laws have a similar purpose.

Remember: the life saved by gun control laws may be your own.

@badminton make sense.

@Kwek00 please restructure this to make sense. I'm not following your point.

@Nelisme maybe we should always say naturally inherent. But i thought that was understood. My bad

@canusernamebemyusername years of martial arts training.....dosen't do much against multiple assailants, armed assailants or those that refuse to abide by rules of engagement.

@Notanymore If the only way to get most people to learn is to tell the truth in a funny voice, we're already in deep shit. But I cannot help but notice you missed the question of whether or not you know what this new law entails.

@Thevy29 indeed I do.

@Notanymore Many entertainers are highly intelligent, but if Americans would rather listen to such "intellectuals" such as Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Lauren Boebert, than you are already in "deep shit".

@SW-User

@Notanymore this country is backwards... people care more about their right to own a gun then a child's right to not get mowed down by someone with a gun in their schools,malls,movie theatres ,festivals ....I'm sorry but something is very wrong here and has been for too long....This needs to stopped being seen as the normal ...enough !

Yes! I'm for making it harder for unstable effed up people from obtaining guns ....but it would have to be a nationwide legislation passed for it to actually be of any use ...

@SW-User And that works so well. Chicago, New York, LA (to name a few) have some of the strictest gun control laws and wow look at that gun crime! You know what stops crazy people with guns? Sane people with guns. And I don’t mean the police. Texas has proved (again) they will not engage. Hey, any cop that DOES engage is now vilified by the media and liberals as racist or whatever. So the politician’s answer is to disarm the sane people. Law abiding folks do not know where to obtain illegal guns to defend themselves nor would they use them. But, as usual, the politicians will make the wrong call AGAIN. How about addressing the fentanyl and drug issue that is fueling most of these creeps? Most of that is coming from the drug cartels in Mexico. But nah. Gotta keep that border open. Get people addicted and killing each other to satisfy their need.

@SW-User I'm not in news York their laws don't affect me at all. It's an homest question as to the citizenship of the state as to their perspective on it.

@bijouxbroussard fair assessment, if you're calling for structural licensing and training, but as a naturally inherent right and not a privilege, such as driving on publicly built and maintained roads, how would the licensing be structured as to not allow political agenda to restrict or disallow otherwise competent citizens?

@Notanymore How is owning a gun an "inherent right” when control of one’s reproduction (for one gender) no longer is ? And that’s basic.

@bijouxbroussard i have no comment about control of reproduction, as I don't entirely agree with the current supreme court ruling on that argument and think that it's a lot more complex than the political mess it's became.

@bleach just on local levels. But I'm more concerned with the opinions of new Yorkers

@bleach maybe or maybe not. I don't suppose any of us will be much worried about laws then though