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New York passes gun laws......

They've successfully undermined the united states constitution to take away what is aeen as a god given right to the people. Are new Yorkers pissed about the right to self defense being taken away, or happy to trade their own personal freedom and responsibility for a sense of security?
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Scribbles · 36-40, F
God given right? On what day of creation did God say "Let there be guns, and it was very good?" 🤣
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Scribbles Same day he said you can have abortions
chrisCA · M
@Scribbles It is scary when some people feel that a god should dictate how a nation should function.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@MrBrownstone 🤣😂 touche, that's a good one. Well served, man. We could be here all day throwing some good zingers like it's racquetball! And now I want to go play badminton or tennis or raquetball for real. Maybe I can get my husband to play me at the park later.

I wonder why do people say or pretend that the choices they make or things that they have are God given rights? It doesn't make sense does it?
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Scribbles I’m pro choice non religious
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@MrBrownstone I'm pro choice and have a hate/love relationship with my faith and don't like my own religion.
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
@Scribbles God given right to defend your self.try to read what was said a God given right to defend your self.I hope if a bad guy trys to do you harm you live next to the police station and they are to busey to answer your call
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@beaglehunter What about the people who lived before god was invented?
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@beaglehunter They aren't taking away your right to defend yourself. They are not even taking away guns.

This is what is new in New York City and state:

New Requirements for Individuals Seeking to Obtain Concealed Carry Pistol Permits Include Firearm Trainings, In-Person Interview, and Social Media Review, Among Others

Conceal Carry Restrictions Apply to Sensitive Locations Including Times Square, Bars, Libraries, Schools, Government Buildings and Hospitals

Permit Recertification or Renewal Now Required Every Three Years

State Launches New Gun Safety Website to Provide the Public, Gun Owners, and Gun Dealers with a Comprehensive, One-Stop Location for Information About the New Laws
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
@Scribbles well i guess in new york all the cops and all the gov.the mayor and all the important people being protected by the cops and body gaurds that are being protected by guns are much more important than the average man or women that are paying for their protection with their tax money.if you are happy being a low life second class citizen with out the right of protection so be it.i am not of that ilk and will be protected in my own way
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
and remember n.y. state is not the united states of America
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@beaglehunter I am perfectly happy not owning a gun and happy defending myself with other means.

I don't think it's too much to ask for other people to follow such common sense requirements as permits, trainings, and background checks and renewals. Which is all that is happening.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Scribbles As long as criminals do that.
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
@Scribbles i think every state has a permit law.my state does and requires a background check and finger prints and an age of 21 to be renewed every 5years.i have had mine for more than 50 years.think of what has hapend in our schools.1 teacher if he or she had a gun could have reduced the amount of kids that were killed in a lot of these cases.guns are not the problem the mentality of the person is the problem.in my state the person with the permit goes through a prety good background check before that permit is given.dont blame the gun as it can not load and fire it self
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
@MrBrownstone you hit it right they dont they steal the by breaking into places where they are kept with nobody around and the guns are not locked up.when i am not home all but 1 are locked in a gun safe and the 1 that is not is with me and if a person is in there trying to break into that safe he wont be happy when i walk in the door
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@MrBrownstone Two good friends of mine were killed in a drive by by someone wielding a semiautomatic years ago. Even if they had guns on them, they would still be dead. I don't think there is a way to get rid of guns in the hands of criminals without adopting what other countries have with strict widespread gun control. They have very little gun violence. Their police don't even need guns. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a country where no one has guns except for hunting? I think it would be. Not sure I want any kids of ours to grow up with all the gun violence here. We certainly.plan to move if that happens.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Scribbles You are free to move
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@MrBrownstone yep. Thing is, I'd like to leave America a bit better then how I found it. Wouldn't it be nice to make it better for everyone I'm leaving behind?

Never going to happen, I know 😖🤣
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Scribbles Leaving would make it better
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@MrBrownstone @beaglehunter Sick burns, men, just like momma used to make. Misappropriating blame, scapegoating, and telling someone to leave would make their problems better or wishing harm on someone with no one to help them . Super fun. Just Like old times.

I felt that one for a few moments. Pity I actually do community work and KNOW I make an impact. Otherwise I might have felt sad for more then a minute.

Are you both mentally ill like my mom too? Just checking...

Sorry, but all the successes and failures of the second amendment is YOUR responsibility and everyone elses who needs their gun and allows others to get guns easily and kill easily with it. I hope you remember that responsibility everytime you watch the news about shootings and everytime someone you know dies from gun violence.

I'm not to blame for any of that. I've been warning and working towards gun control from the moment a friend handed me a loaded gun at 12 years old. I'm literally stating a solution that has worked in many countries across the world. Not my fault that you can't handle accountability, and responsibility. Why are you actively against that?

What exactly do you imagine will happen as soon as I leave USA soil? The homicide rate will drop 40 percent? Get real.
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
@Scribbles i have a great idea for you lets keep our guns to protect our self and our children and ban automobiles.as they kill more people in the u.s. than guns do and while we are at it lets take our police departments guns and our armys guns away also that way no one will ever die
Scribbles · 36-40, F
Let's not stop there...let's apply this to all the top 12 leading causes of death:
Heart disease
Cancer
Accidents (most commonly:poisoning, falling, car)
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
Stroke
Alzheimer’s disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide
Septicemia
Chronic liver disease

How's that gun helping you preserve you and your family's life with the causes of 75 percent of deaths each year? Has that bullet stopped diabetes yet? No? Then why do you even have it? What good is it? Nothing!

I get it people have guns like people have umbrellas. Somehow it's going to keep the rain away... But statistically speaking- it's not. I get that it's an emotional thing to worry about self defense and your families self defense, and nothing seems too crazy and holding something to pacify your fear and feel some measure of power and control of a shit situation- just in case you do need to use it feels like EVERYTHING. Everything. It's fucking lifeline, a miracle machine to save a loved one.

So why wouldn't you be prepared obsessively for a super scary event that might happen a fraction of a percent on any given day? It might happen. And if you've experienced any violent or traumatic experience/experiences or live a risky life it feels.even more likely to happen. And yeah, depending on some variables like where or how you live increases the chance of violence dramatically. Violence is a daily reality for some people.

I do get it. I once carried a tire iron and baseball bat in my car for self defense for a couple months at one point in my life. I've bluffed my way out of midrape with a knife at my throat. I once carried a knife with me. Took self defense classes. But I personally draw the line at carrying a gun casually. Because I know I'd panic and just use the gun and kill someone instead of even considering anything else. Oddly, it feels more powerless to me to have a gun then without. So I opt out so I have more choices rather then one choice because of my flight and flight response. You maybe have better reactions then me. But feel free to judge away because I do self defense a little differently because I don't want to ever cause a gun death. If I kill someone, I don't want it to be as easy as pulling a trigger. Perhaps I have too much rage in me to use a gun. And too much mercy for those that I think don't deserve death. But I don't fault someone for protecting another or oneself by using a gun. It's good to protect. And In some ways I get that it's like splitting hairs over tools for the same job.

You mention burglary alot, so I looked this up: It's far more likely for someone to die in other gun homicide or gun accident related deaths then by burglary (0.75 percent).

So, yeah... what about the danger to your family because of others having a gun? Could be someone with an anger management problem with a gun, could be a teenager shooting up the neighborhood in the passenger seat of his friend's car. Or the danger of a reckless person owning an auto mobile. Or anyone eating a McDonald's hamburger over and over?

Once again, I point out the accountability and responsibility aspect behind laws. Like what New York is doing with guns that you are all upset about. They are not taking away guns. Or a right to self defense. As I've repeated over and over and over.
Control is NOT a ban.

If you own a vehicle you are somewhat accountable and responsible for, you have the car registered. You take a test, you do driver's Ed. You get a license renewed. Their are laws about use of cars, and safety. You get pulled over by police if you don't obey them and get ticketed. You can get a license revoked. You can get fined, You can go to jail for manslaughter if you run people over in a reckless rage during a Christmas parade... No republican is complaining about a lack of right to have a car that I know of.

Anyway...New York wants similar accountability and responsibility.for guns. Yet lots of people are claiming such infringes on their right to have a gun.

Will it be a little more of a hassle to get a gun legally? Yes. But so is buying and operating a car legally. Why is that a bad thing? Is there more good in making owning a gun as easy as buying an apple then a car? Would you be unable to own a gun due to New York's new rules? And are worried?

Perhaps if we do as the UK and many other countries do...someday we will find that gun control measures protect your family from gun violence far more then you carrying a gun around obsessively does. Criminals and police won't even have guns. We won't have to worry about mass shootings, drive bys, shits fired at the grocery store or when police pulled someone over on the highway one day. Perhaps we will find other ways to deal with a home invasion then pointing or firing a gun-like so many other countries' people do. And their will be more knife fights and wounds, but less deaths. they all seem horrified by the gun violence we have in America. perhaps we could learn something from them. Perhaps we won't excuse all the homicides and mass shootings because we are scared of a one in a million chance of something truly bad happening and actually being there and have the time to react and fire a gun.

I guess you can't be a good guy with a gun without allowing "bad guys" with guns to run around. Thing is most people don't start off as bad guys.
And thing is-you can be a good guy without a gun. And you can be a good guy with a gun who registers his gun and get a permit and does gun training and gets screened for mental illness.

That's what I think anyway.

No doubt, we'll agree to disagree and you'll wish someone would teach me a lesson via wishing a home invasion with intent to harm and a lack of police to me all over again-as though that will suddenly change my mind about guns and make everything all better again. And who knows maybe if it was bad enough and broke me it would change my mind, and if I didn't kill myself, I'd carry a gun everywhere. Hell of a way to convert people into gun owners, don't you think? At least Brownstone just wants me to leave the country.

I'm glad your thoughts on guns are defensively minded. I've been around people who would rather cause trouble with guns before. It wasn't good.

Anyway, I hope you live somewhere with little violence and never ever have to use any of your guns, and I hope your guns are never part of any accidental deaths or suicides either. It sounds like you try to keep them locked up, which is good.
beaglehunter · 80-89, M
@Scribbles i dont wish a home invasion to you or anybody.i wish yu the right to hate guns if you desire to as that is your right as it is my right to own a gun. in my state to get a pistol permit you have to have a background check through the police records and not be a convicted felon{ever}be finger printed through the local police and the prints are checked through the feds then intervued by the police chief.this permit is good for 5 years and it has my picture a finger print and a 5 year experation date then you have to go through a renewal all over again and that is for every5 years.people in my state do not get a permit if they are a convicted felon.the permit can also be revoked for any good reason at any time.it is not handed out like a bag of popcorn