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Thevy29 · 41-45, M
The last person put to Death here was in 1967, and it the Death Penalty was abolished in 1985.
craig7 · 70-79, M
@Thevy29 Yes,that was in Victoria in 1967 - here in N.S.W, the last was in 1932.

Thinkingdeeper · 36-40, M
Mistakes happen in the justice system so no I don't support the death penalty. I do back prison reform though to ensure those that need to go to prison do whilst those where rehabilitation is possible is carried out. People should also work in prison where able and give back to society. It also means they will have skills when they leave so there is a better chance of breaking the cycle of reoffending.
@Thinkingdeeper Would you support capital punishment if proven beyond a reasonable doubt with an unrepentant murderer that killed in cold blood? Remember, they didn't give their victims mercy, why should society give them mercy? Bring back the gallows in public square.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Thinkingdeeper Prisons were never to rehabilitate. They used to be holding pens for the criminal while they awaited corporal punishment or execution.

It is a slippery slope. The giving of inches and the taking of miles. What next? The prisoner is to be celebrated after rehabilitated?
@emiliya Maybe in Russia, but in the United States after independence, prisons were for rehabilitation.
BamPow · 51-55, M
Given how poorly it’s executed (pun fully intended), I’m generally opposed to it. The argument that it saves money is false, because death row inmates often spend decades on appeals that end up costing more than just giving them three hots and a cot would have. A death sentence often equates to a life sentence anyway.

Where I do see its value is in open and shut cases where DNA and other forensics have killers dead to rights (again pun intended). It also often leads to a plea bargain where dirt bags like the guy from Idaho accepts life without parole or appeal. I’m all in favor of life without parole and anything that spares surviving relatives from having to return to court and parole hearings to relive their trauma.
Bonby · 61-69, M
@BamPow nope end the repeals and end it quick your guilty than bye bye one week to repent then on to the final judge
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ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I don't know. I was an officer for the DOC and working there during an execution/lethal injection. It was a strange experience, but it meant something to the victim's family.

A lot of death row inmates were quiet. It was the quietest tier in the prison.

Yeah, I don't know.
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KatyO83 · 41-45, F
There are some things like parents mistreating a kid like Toby Hugell or some terrorist things where I'm like "Why don't we just...."

But I see the other side too esp around terrorists making them martyrs etc

So I'm not sure
craig7 · 70-79, M
No. The Australian State in which I reside,last had an execution way back in 1932 - following that,the death penalty remained on the statute books,but capital offence convictions were automatically commuted to life imprisonment.Thence in 1954,the death penalty was removed entirely from our legal framework.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@craig7 do you (your state ) do solitary confinement ?
craig7 · 70-79, M
@AthrillatheHunt I don't think so,maybe for short periods in special circumstances.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@craig7 I’m against the death penalty and consider solitary confinement cruel and unusual punishment (except for short term in special circumstances ) it’s inhumane
exchrist · 31-35
There are instances in which it is the better decision. In considering price\cost efficacy. Shelter, feed, clothe,and monitor someone for the rest of their life or just put them to death? Obviously firing squad would be more cost effective.
But there are several factors to consider in making that determination. Frequency of crime (recidivism). Type of crime (murder or rape when compared to theft or religious persecution). And severity of crime (the extent of suffering involved in a murder, or crime; in retaliation or vengence compared to unprovoked.
So in some cases i do think it is justifiable but in general. Because of cover ups human error and (often racial) preferencial treatment\wealth disparity and the statute of limitations being 30 years(that's when all information might finally see "the light of day"). It needs to be carefully determined, administered, and enforced.
@exchrist Read my reply to @ScreamingFox
exchrist · 31-35
OldBrit · 61-69, M
No.

Simply because we as society say "You shall not kill" whether linked to the religious commandments or not but we basically all agree killing people is wrong.

OK - therefore for me society loses its moral high ground if it then says - Actually it's OK to kill these people because they did x.... How long before that morphs to and these people because they think Y.

It's a philosophical opposition from me.
acpguy · C
@OldBrit Look at pro-abortion people that want to kill healthy babies before they come out. There are lots of them around so it appears that killing people is OK with them until you see them protesting the death penalty then they get moral. Their reasoning should allow eve later term abortions then like executing the 20 + year old that is living in your basement rent free, eating your food and doing drugs with your income.
TexChik · F
For capital crimes? Absolutely! Stop being secretive about it. Public hangings or firing squads should be reinstated. Consequences for horrid acts must be front and center if we hope for any kind of deterrence. Why should only the result of a heinous criminal act be allowed to be seen by the public and not the consequences being meted out to the criminals that the justice system had found responsible for it?
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
@TexChik I agree with u
Northwest · M
Capital punishment does not work as as deterrent.

There are some sick people out there, and the world may be better off without them, but there are no country-wide standards on how this is applied (legal representation, social status, money, race, etc).

I am not in favor of capital punishment and prefer to have special jails for those who should be eliminated from society.
HiFiRaver · 18-21, M
No, I don't. I understand why some people want it, but I've also read enough about it going wrong that I simply don't believe in the state power to kill. Life imprisonment is enough.
4meAndyou · F
I believe that some people are in need of better lawyers. And I believe that all accused murderers should have a chance to prove their innocence if and when they have been railroaded by over- eager prosecutors, even after conviction.

However, there are some really vicious predators in our prisons, who are NOT innocent. THOSE people should never, ever be given parole, or ANY chance at freedom.
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
Yes, at least in the case of dangerous criminals who pose a continuous and intolerable threat to society. I would always put public safety first. Dragging the process out for decades is ridiculous.
No. Not because I don’t believe that some offenders deserve it; there are people whose actions should require they forfeit the right to draw breath.

But the death penalty isn’t meted out equitably, and it’s unlikely to ever be punishment for an offender wealthy enough to avoid it, regardless of the crime.

In law enforcement, one’s personal wealth determines whether an arrest means freedom until trial or immediate incarceration; it determines how vigorous a defense one can mount; even the skill of counsel one can retain.

With the death penalty (if you live in a state that imposes it, most states do) it’s literally a "your money or your life" proposition which is neither just nor likely even Constitutional.
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
@bijouxbroussard that part ☝
too many states have long appeal pocesses and most never get the penalty enforced. Texas and Florida have an express line, the way it should be
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
@saragoodtimes Agreed, but what is really meant by 'express line'?
@onewithshoes they rush them right in. cut the appeal process
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@acpguy I have been saying this for years and have mentioned this in sw many times.
ToLivePeacefully · 31-35, M
I agree.

Some people are beyond help, if you are willingly took a life or took the decision knowing that it would cause death of the innocent, then why should you be allowed to be rehabilitated.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
No, it it simply governmental murder. It has no effect on the murder rate. If an innocent person is executed, then they can't be un-exectuted if new evidence is found. It costs a fortune because of appeals. By saying that murder of any kind is justified, even that sanctioned by the government, it puts into some people's minds that they can find more personal reasons to kill.
Lilymoon · F
In certain cases yes I do. Although it's abolished here in Canada.
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
I lost faith in the death penalty. Its a complete joke . When a 14 year old black child was put into the electric chair in South Carolina. But yet you have white school shooters with mass casualties who don't even have to worry about that ever being a reality for them. Let me ask you this. If anybody in this world deserved the death penalty it would have been Jeffrey Dahmer. Why wasn't he given the death penalty? crimes cannot get any worse than his from rape, murder, to cannibalism. But a 14 year old black child was danger to society?
@AngelUnforgiven While I agree there are too many cases of unjust examples, capital punishment has become more political racism than justice. However using your example, Dylan Roof, the Black church mass shooter, was sentenced to death, as well as other mass shooters, and I believe Dahmer was killed by fellow inmates, so therefore justice still happened.
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
@NativePortlander1970 But dahmer was not given the death penalty, I wonder why. Just like I wonder why emmitt till's murderers smiled in front of cameras and confessed to the media about his brutal murder, the murder of an innocent child, and yet you could hear crickets chirping. If 2 black men gloated to the media about murdering a little white girl 🤔 hmmm I wonder what would have happened to them? The bottom line is that there's 2 justice systems and the death penalty is a joke.
@AngelUnforgiven I won't dispute your views. I will ask however if there is proof beyond the shadow of a doubt it was a cold blooded murder and the killer shows no remorse in court and/or towards the loved ones and showed no mercy to their victim, would you support it?
No. I don't think it ticks any of the boxes. Maybe some victims/survivors might prefer it, but I question whether or not they get any real value from it above that of life imprisonment
Absolutely not. It's not "justice" for the victim or the victim's family, it's vengeance carried out by the state to make those in power feel masterful.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
The problem with the death penalty is, I've met too many people who were falsely convicted to trust the system at this point. If you're going to execute someone, you have to be damn sure you got it right. And let's be honest, our so-called justice system is less about actual justice and more about tons of convictions to make it look like justice is being done.
exchrist · 31-35
In New York State there is no "death penalty" extremely rare bc evidence has been revealed 30 years after a conviction and execution proving innocence of the person executed. That has happened numerous times.
hunkalove · 70-79, M
No. But if it was up to me prison wouldn't be the pleasant place it is.
I’d rather see the change of mind after being sucker punched by life- in the extremes that it has, losing everything, own businesses and all… But alas that’s been too much too hope for… so I dunno…
Bonby · 61-69, M
Definitely we shouldn't be spending our money on someone just to exist that has committed such a crime give them a week to repent and then send them home to the ultimate judge.
Shit yeah.. need more of it..

Where’s mah Deathrace 2000 and running man tv shows..
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Interestingly, they've remade both death race and running man.
@NativePortlander1970 privatise the prison system.. make them raise funds with the inevitable next gen entertainment
No. It's too damaging to the social contract.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
I oppose it. With the terrible record of the Justice Department a lot of innocent people would be dead.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955
I oppose it. With the terrible record of the Justice Department a lot of innocent people would be dead.

The Justice Departments frame lots of people by threatenting them with long prison sentences unless they accept a plea deal for less time. Once they accept the plea deal then they generally can't appeal and, if they are later found to be innocent, they don't get compensated for the time they spent in prison.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Diotrephes Yes sadly that is the case world wide. The powerful have judges that will back the powerful and the innocent can be disposed of at the pleasure of the powerful.
Ducky · 31-35, F
No. It's a primitive, outdated practice that needs to end.
Ducky · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes I don’t follow organized religion
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Ducky
I don’t follow organized religion

I don't either but lots of people talk about how wonderful the biblical God and Jesus are but they refuse to follow their commandments. There are billions of people who claim to be believers but you would be lucky to find 100 true believers this minute.
Ducky · 31-35, F
@Diotrephes Okay? 🤷‍♀
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I’m against state sponsored killing of its citizens
@AthrillatheHunt It's a society that demands it for cold blooded murderers, they're no longer citizens vermin kill without mercy towards their victims.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@NativePortlander1970 I replied to your post saying not all victims families want that. Some forgive the murderer immediately
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Hopelandia · M
No. Because apart from anything else, a rich person will never be put to death, regardless of what they've done. They will have the means to commute any death sentence. The poor, on the other hand, will be railroaded straight to the gallows/chair etc.
KA9ha · 31-35, M
no certainly not,,,She has not done any treason against the state causing harm to its sovreignity
PalteseMalconFunch · 36-40, T
No. It’s just vengeance and the state shouldn’t be in the vengeance business

There’s no data to show it has any effect on reducing crime
Allelse · 36-40, M
No. The state shouldn't have the right to kill because mistakes can happen.
Monalisasmith86 · 41-45, F
@Allelse especially if it was self defence
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
Yes but just in very extreme cases and with 100% evidence.
Adstar · 56-60, M
No...

It is unnecessary..
PinkMoon · 26-30, F
No,it's not worth the possibility of innocent people getting murdered.
@PinkMoon That is why it must be withhout a shadow of any doubt, the murderer unrepentant towards the loved ones of their victims they gave no mercy to.
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
Has to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it was them. If that's not possible it shouldn't exist. Just executng the wrong person and there's no repercussions for it.
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
The death penalty doesn't cover genocide.
YoMomma ·
For certain crimes they should have it and asap too
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Cops lie and the courts always back them up. ACAB.
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SarahS · 26-30, F
Capital punishment brings closure to the families of victims murdered in cold blood, it is justice.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@NativePortlander1970 some families forgive the killer at trial and don’t want the death penalty . Others want an eye for an eye
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