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HijabaDabbaDoo · F
I think it's lazy parenting to resort to smacking a child. Children are figuring out their emotions at a different pace and volume to adults. They don't need someone to hinder that process. They need healthy copying mechanisms and guidance.
The way we were raised doesn't mean shit. "Well I turned out okay?" Did you though? You don't need to be traumatised for something to impact you. I've seen so many emotionally stunted adults that although don't mean harm, they justify raising their hand under the assumption that it corrects a child behaviour.
It doesn't. It's just lazy because to engage with words means to commit more energy. I don't expect any adult to have it right all the time but i'd much rather teach my child true safety and security than to make them feel like they need to suppress their emotions. That shits gonna come out one way or another anyway so let's figure it out together.
The way we were raised doesn't mean shit. "Well I turned out okay?" Did you though? You don't need to be traumatised for something to impact you. I've seen so many emotionally stunted adults that although don't mean harm, they justify raising their hand under the assumption that it corrects a child behaviour.
It doesn't. It's just lazy because to engage with words means to commit more energy. I don't expect any adult to have it right all the time but i'd much rather teach my child true safety and security than to make them feel like they need to suppress their emotions. That shits gonna come out one way or another anyway so let's figure it out together.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Kenworth4954 Here's a serious reference on the effects of corporal punishment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/
Even with these controls, physical punishment between the ages of six and nine years predicted higher levels of antisocial behaviour two years later. Subsequent prospective studies yielded similar results, whether they controlled for parental age, child age, race and family structure; poverty, child age, ...
Physical punishment is associated with a range of mental health problems in children, youth and adults, including depression, unhappiness, anxiety, feelings of hopelessness, use of drugs and alcohol, and general psychological maladjustment.
... no study has found physical punishment to have a long-term positive effect, and most studies have found negative effects.
PhoenixPhail · M
@HijabaDabbaDoo Very well said.
WaryWitchWandering · 36-40, F
To me it’s abuse… period.
I take away things when my children act out. Or they are sent to their room to think, and I talk to them about it once they are calm and have given their actions a thought.
Both my kids know what is expected of them, without me having to smack them around to terrify them into behaving.
I know spanking is always a controversial topic, I know two people who use it as discipline… and it just doesn’t seem to have any positive effect. I keep my mouth shut because people parent differently, and many believe spanking is not abuse… it makes me wildly anxious and sad though.
I take away things when my children act out. Or they are sent to their room to think, and I talk to them about it once they are calm and have given their actions a thought.
Both my kids know what is expected of them, without me having to smack them around to terrify them into behaving.
I know spanking is always a controversial topic, I know two people who use it as discipline… and it just doesn’t seem to have any positive effect. I keep my mouth shut because people parent differently, and many believe spanking is not abuse… it makes me wildly anxious and sad though.
4meAndyou · F
@WaryWitchWandering I agree with you completely. I was never spanked as a child, but my mother would chase me through the house in a mad fury, and when she finally caught me, she would haul off and smack my right across the face as hard as she could. I would say that she only deepened my feelings of defiance and resentment with her behavior.
I resolved NEVER to strike my son, physically, and although I did, ONCE, I apologized to him afterward.
I resolved NEVER to strike my son, physically, and although I did, ONCE, I apologized to him afterward.
Ontheroad · M
Corporal punishment (for children) is and always has been the least effective way to teach a child.
It is a parent taking out their anger, impatience and frustration on a child.
Not cool.
Not effective.
How do I know this? I was a child whose parents believed in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" saying.
It did nothing to correct my behaviors and only taught me to be sneakier.
I never used it with my children and they turned out just fine.
It is a parent taking out their anger, impatience and frustration on a child.
Not cool.
Not effective.
How do I know this? I was a child whose parents believed in the "spare the rod, spoil the child" saying.
It did nothing to correct my behaviors and only taught me to be sneakier.
I never used it with my children and they turned out just fine.
I don't believe that it's necessary or productive. The idea that kids behaviour can be corrected through pain and fear is fanciful at best. The evidence doesn't support that. The best that anyone can offer up is anecdotal evidence based on the past, but delinquent children have always been a thing. In fact, a common thread in delinquency is violence in the home. It's love and time that make a positive difference, not threat and violence.
Each to their own, but it's not for me.
Each to their own, but it's not for me.
Doomflower · 36-40, M
Matt85 · 36-40, M
Yeah. It does a lot of psychological damage.
MoonPieSmilez · 26-30, F
My kid is 7 and knows what a butt whoopen is. I always understood an ass whoopen as crossing boundaries. I’ll give him that look that my momma gave me lol . I always feel like shit afterwords so maybe I need to take a deeper look in my temper.. I already know he can’t go to wal mart because he sees toys and wants everything he can’t have so that’s one place I know I can’t take him lol
Jenny1234 · 51-55, F
@MoonPieSmilez yes please take a deeper look within. Please don’t hit your child or scare him with ‘that look’.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
It's abuse.
If your child is too young to understand rihht from wrong, they will have no idea why you're hurting them. If they are old enough, you coukd just use reasoning.
Corporal punishment teaches a child it is okay to hurt someone if you don't like what they do.
If your child is too young to understand rihht from wrong, they will have no idea why you're hurting them. If they are old enough, you coukd just use reasoning.
Corporal punishment teaches a child it is okay to hurt someone if you don't like what they do.
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@pdockal I'm what's wrong with society because I disagree with hurting and humiliating a child? Are you even listening to yourself?
How's about everyone just keeps their hands to themselves. It's not difficult.
How's about everyone just keeps their hands to themselves. It's not difficult.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@basilfawlty89
Ughhhhhhhhh
Your wrong with society because you can't have a conversation without attempting to insult others
Ughhhhhhhhh
Your wrong with society because you can't have a conversation without attempting to insult others
GrinNude · 61-69, C
My parents were never abusive. They raised us the only way they knew - the way they were raised
Corporal punishment was always well deserved and firmly applied with loving intent to keep us safe and to correct our behavior.
Corporal punishment was the primary means of our discipline. It was so effective that it was not needed very often. But when it was necessary, it was delivered with the trappings of a well defined ceremonial ritual.
My children were were not raised with corporal punishment. Birdie
Corporal punishment was always well deserved and firmly applied with loving intent to keep us safe and to correct our behavior.
Corporal punishment was the primary means of our discipline. It was so effective that it was not needed very often. But when it was necessary, it was delivered with the trappings of a well defined ceremonial ritual.
My children were were not raised with corporal punishment. Birdie
I think people should try talking to children and other methods for discipline rather than physical abuse
Jenny1234 · 51-55, F
I never hit my kids. I only ever had one spanking as a child. I can’t relate to physical discipline
Jexie · 26-30, F
Corporal punishment has always been the least effective method of discipline and it borders on abuse because of the emotional consequences. The best way to teach is with positive reinforcement
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
no; abuse is letting them grow up thinking they can get away with whatever they want without consequence and either ending up in prison or the morgue...
Matt85 · 36-40, M
@wildbill83 Society is pretty hard on people. Let them learn from society.
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Selah ·
It's abuse and it's not a matter of opinion anymore. It can cause precocious puberty, cognitive and behavioral problems...a host of issues.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Selah Here's some data to back you up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/
Even with these controls, physical punishment between the ages of six and nine years predicted higher levels of antisocial behaviour two years later. Subsequent prospective studies yielded similar results, whether they controlled for parental age, child age, race and family structure; poverty, child age, ...
Physical punishment is associated with a range of mental health problems in children, youth and adults, including depression, unhappiness, anxiety, feelings of hopelessness, use of drugs and alcohol, and general psychological maladjustment.
... no study has found physical punishment to have a long-term positive effect, and most studies have found negative effects.
bijouxbroussard · F
It’s abuse.
Presumably you don’t want your child to become a bully. But corporal punishment is basically teaching them, by example, that if you’re bigger and stronger, hitting someone is the way to get them to do what you want.
And you look at the people who claim such childhoods did them no harm, but have all these posts around school beatings, etc.
They’re damaged.
Presumably you don’t want your child to become a bully. But corporal punishment is basically teaching them, by example, that if you’re bigger and stronger, hitting someone is the way to get them to do what you want.
And you look at the people who claim such childhoods did them no harm, but have all these posts around school beatings, etc.
They’re damaged.
froggtongue · M
@bijouxbroussard I've heard that the opposite is true. That bullies haven't gotten beat up and so don't know how it feels to be on the opposite end. Therefore leading to their inability to empathize with other people as victims.
bijouxbroussard · F
@froggtongue I’ve seen what I’m talking about. Being abused doesn’t guarantee empathy. Too often it engenders a desire in someone who’s been hurt to take it out on others.
ElwoodBlues · M
@froggtongue @bijouxbroussard Here's a serious reference on the effects of corporal punishment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/
Even with these controls, physical punishment between the ages of six and nine years predicted higher levels of antisocial behavior two years later. Subsequent prospective studies yielded similar results, whether they controlled for parental age, child age, race and family structure; poverty, child age, ...
Physical punishment is associated with a range of mental health problems in children, youth and adults, including depression, unhappiness, anxiety, feelings of hopelessness, use of drugs and alcohol, and general psychological maladjustment.
... no study has found physical punishment to have a long-term positive effect, and most studies have found negative effects.
ABCDEF7 · M
The intention of any punishment is not to abuse. If anyone has that intention then it is not punishment.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
As a parent I’ve never found the need.
I’d definitely be interested to see what teachers think when they run into unruly children who haven’t learned how to act from their parent(s).
Teachers have been emasculated. I’d like to see them get back a bit more control.
I’d definitely be interested to see what teachers think when they run into unruly children who haven’t learned how to act from their parent(s).
Teachers have been emasculated. I’d like to see them get back a bit more control.
KatyO83 · 41-45, F
Abuse. I grew up in children's homes in the 80s and 90s and while supposedly not allowed I saw some, received it once but then grassed that person to my key worker and they were fired.
There's no need for it
There's no need for it
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
Abuse.
laurieluvsit · 26-30, F
Like anything, it can be administered abusively.
There is a place for it when done properly and lovingly.
There is a place for it when done properly and lovingly.
TAReturns · M
@laurieluvsit 🎯🎯
supersnipe · 61-69, M
@laurieluvsit I thought it was only the Brits that said that sort of thing!
pdockal · 56-60, M
It can become abuse if not administered correctly
It's a fine line between discipline & abuse
It's a fine line between discipline & abuse
smiler2012 · 56-60
@Pumpkins 🤔in my day as a kid corporal punishment both at home at school was prevalent and accepted as a norm if you step out of line that was what you got . nothing wrong with the idea in my eyes even in today society in principle you need too know right from wrong and this is the way
smiler2012 · 56-60
@nedkelly 🤔says a manchester united fan ned lol
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
@nedkelly @smiler2012 OK, that's enough of that.
smiler2012 · 56-60
@MaryDreamilton banter nothing else no need too get uptight
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
It's appropriate for kids if you're raising conservatives. If you want some other outcome, you're swimming against the tide.
Raising warriors and workers isn't like raising citizens and good neighbors. It's not the same childhood.
Forcing the kid into the car seat is a thing that shows which one people choose. It screams and fights in vain. The adults have no mercy and say ", you're alright!" To make them know. Might makes right.
Raising warriors and workers isn't like raising citizens and good neighbors. It's not the same childhood.
Forcing the kid into the car seat is a thing that shows which one people choose. It screams and fights in vain. The adults have no mercy and say ", you're alright!" To make them know. Might makes right.
MaryDreamilton · 46-50, F
It gives me great pleasure.
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thepreposterouspanda · 36-40, M
I was abused with it. Got spanked for any slight transgression. I was the only one too, none of my three siblings had to go through it.
Sometimes they used ping pong paddles or whatever else. I don't remember much of my life before the age of 9 because of it.
Sometimes they used ping pong paddles or whatever else. I don't remember much of my life before the age of 9 because of it.
froggtongue · M
Corporal punishment perhaps shouldn't be the first thing to go to. There are other optional punishments. In addition, there are degrees of these things.
Well, this is what i think. Maybe i'm right, maybe not.
Well, this is what i think. Maybe i'm right, maybe not.
Missbirdie1986 · 36-40, F
I believe a smack on the hand and let the child know what they have done wrong so they learn if you punish a child without letting them know why they won’t know how to fix it yes it can be abuse
SirAhmed · 31-35, M
If we're talking about a Child it's abuse. If we're talking about a partner and with consent it's quite fun.
It's not mutually exclusive.. some people are abusive in their so called discipline ..
KungFuVixen · F
Normally its punishment, but if it leaves marks or excessive. Then it's abuse
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