Children getting sex changed?

@Ducky If you read that, then how did you miss the aricle pointing out that puberty blockers are reversible?

@OggggO That was the wrong response. We're done here.

@Ducky Don't get mad at me that you proved yourself wrong.

@RosaMarie Still, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to sexualize a child. A person’s choice is one thing. But don’t push it on a child. In my opinion that’s abuse and should be dealt with as abusive criminal behavior.

@carpediem I have only one direct personal experience in this, which is my nephew. He brought it up to his parents at age 10. From 10 to 14 he went by a new name and wore boys clothes. He went to weekly therapy. He was formally diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Not the first day he said it, but after much time with mental health professionals. At 14, his doctor started him on male hormones. The regular visits with mental health professionals have continued. Surgeries will not occur until he is 18. The health care providers have made that clear every step of the way.

I can personally attest that no grooming, pushing, or any other form of persuasion or coercion occured. Every step of the process improved his mental health, grades, personality, and outlook.

One example isn't a trend or representative. That being said, I do think that the idea of this being forced on kids is largely a fabrication of the Christan right as a scare tactic. For such a condition to be true, two people at least would need to be willing participants. The first would be the kid's own parent or parents. This would mean that a parent would value the idea of transgender above the health of their own child. The second willing participant would be the doctor. That doctor would have to value transgender conversions above the health of their patient. While not impossible, I think it's fair to say that scenario is unlikely.

I won't sit here and try to state that it has never happened. But I am trying to make the case that if it happens it is by far the minority of cases. The majority of minors being treated are following the same path that I walked through above. It may start earlier or later, but it always starts with the kid expressing a thought and feeling that something isn't right. There was no effort to recruit gays in the 80s and 90s and there isn't an effort to recruit trans kids now.

In the very unlikely case of actual grooming, the participants should be charged with abuse. In the vast majority of cases where parents are trying to seek the best mental health care they can for their kids, the government should stay the hell out of the way and let the parents and doctors do what is best.

As a side note, the Christan groups that make efforts to fix or cure LGBTQ in kids are far more prevalent and do clear, documented harm. Some of those programs have suicide rates of near 50%. If you want to call out people for abusing kids, there is an easy target for you.

@MalteseFalconPunch not you defending children getting reassignment surgery when children literally walk around thinking they are mermaids and fairies. this entire thread needs a psychological evaluation

@DeluxedEdition Go back and read the OP and show me where it says "surgery" anywhere in it.

@nonsensiclesnail Sure your personality is different but did you decide you were a different gender at 20? That is an important distinction.

It reminds me of people in the 90s claiming being gay or bisexual was a phase.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I never knew who or what I was. I went along with social norms. I feel like an empty blank slate with no intent or purpose, so im not sure I can even begin to Answer this from the perspective of gender.
However, I was friends with a boy Who was a girl because his parents didn’t want a son. I see this sort of thing as an avenue to harm, rather than help, though I do realize that for some this is a help. But like anything good, it can be used for horrible things.
He/ she is no longer alive.
Its not a simple subject and thing that should be taken lightly or. On a group basis. This is a case by case situation. Blanket answers that cover a wide range of people are not a solid or healthy solution. And giving people the go ahead to totally change their childrens lives with a child’s consent is really scary to me.

@nonsensiclesnail Fair enough.

And sure theoretically you could have some demented parents trying to do something like that but that is also why so much psych evaluation happens before it is even considered and it would never happen. Because of nuts like that safeguards are in place.

Just like they are not going to break the legs of someone and stretch the bones because someone wants a taller kid.

@Thevy29 Too young for what exactly? To wear different clothes and be called different pronouns?

@OggggO 4 year olds don't understand what gender is.. They don't care what clothes you put them in and besides. These little fuckers get to run around naked at the beach if they want to. Its just the parents wanting to stand out, more then the kids wealth fare.

@Thevy29 That's funny, because when I was 4 I definitely knew that there were boys and girls, and that I was a boy.

@Adstar And the hard truth that you don't want to accept is that respecting trans peoples' wishes leads to better mental health and fewer suicides.

@OggggO Thats simply not true.. And it will become more and more clear as the years go by.. I really don't need to argue much.. I just have to stand back and wait for time to affirm my positon..

@Adstar While ignoring anything that contradicts it the whole time, of course.

@badminton Exactly, and I bet no one can provide it.

@Ynotisay when i was 4 i wanted to be a boy i liked to play with boy toys and rough house with boys. that doesnt mean we go and reassign my gender

the fact that anyone supports this is very devastating

@DeluxedEdition So your situation is identical to others? I support medical evidence and the educated thoughts of experts. There really are genetic 'hiccups' when it comes to human beings. If we can provide people with a better lives, safely, especially via something that's reversible, I don't see the issue. It doesn't impact me in any way, or you, and I think it's a significantly better alternative to suicide which is FAR more common than gender-care.

@LvChris Thanks for the info

@LvChris So this is coming from the same people who are afraid of CRT. I love the analogy he made to left-handed people.

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@Fairydust Glenn Beck is a horrible source, try someone who isn't a lying nutjob.

@OggggO

Lol ok! You sound like one.

@ABCDEF7 If someone is trans, by age 30 or really even 20, hormones aren't going to do much of anything.

@CestManan With some of the surgeries irreversible, I think the (emotional)relationships they make in the life after are more important than experimenting with bodies. Emotional maturity also matters before taking such decision.

@CrazyMusicLover There are. Significantly less suicides is just one outcome.