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Canuckle · 51-55, M
He should seek advice from both and then critically analyze what’s received and apply what he’s learned and what is true to himself. He shouldn’t rely only on one perspective. This would be my advice.
lim1212 · 36-40, M
@Canuckle I truly don't believe it's gender based. Just experience in dating

OldBrit · 61-69, M
I think both but give greater weight to the women.

Also more than one man, my concern is that one man might be a player therefore not a good role model.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
I think different women are attracted to different types.

For example, especially if we are talking about young people, I have heard women almost swoon over a guy's automobile! But if a woman told me that "being cool" (whether it was a matter of a car or clothes or whatever) was what made a man attractive to her, I would ignore that advice and realize, "OK, I am going to have to try to attract a different kind of woman." I am not going to be "cool." And in fact, the kind of woman who cares about that sort of thing is probably not someone I would be attracted to anyway.

And likewise, if I asked a man what worked for him, it would be what worked for that particular man, because that is what he is naturally like. It might not work for me.

So, I guess I would ask both women and men, and listen to the variety of responses, and then sort out which of those fit me and which do not.

As it is, what happened to me over the course of my lifetime, is that a lot of my amorous relationships grew out of friendships. What has worked for me is being "the nice guy."
@DrWatson That’s why I never understood people who claimed "women don’t like nice guys". I always have, and all the nice guys I know—the real ones, who weren’t just playing a role—are married.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard I think there are too many young women who, on the one hand, do think nice guys are boring and are attracted to "bad boys", but on the other hand, have the irrational idea that surely he will turn out to be a great husband and father in the future. And sometimes those men do mature that way. But often those women change their minds about nice guys after they become single moms.

And then there are the women who go through that phase when they are young and then outgrow it (without children or divorce along the way), find a nice guy, and have a happy life with him.

And of course, there are also the women who were attracted to nice guys from the very beginning. That's the kind of woman I married.
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard I think there is some small truth it but it gets twisted and construed. One, the *nice guy" or " nice girl" is mostly better at attracting the ready for something deep and and to move forward. Kinda of a better at getting quality over quantity in relationships.


Two and really the more reality based thing, is very often the term " the nice guy" is more accurately talking about the nice person who also has no charisma or real confidence and just doesn't know how to take the chance or break the ice sorta deal. So it isn't really about being " a nice guy". It's more accurate to say the nice guy who just hasn't figured out how to approach or flirt when the time is right. There's the fakes who are " nice" as manipulation too, but in male experience knowing actual nice decent dudes who just suck at getting any kind of attention, it's that they are often aloof as fuck and just don't know how to pick up on the signals or are just too nervous and questioning to act on them. So they get the attention, but are just hesitant to act on it or notice it.
bookerdana · M
Me..I'd ask popular women and men..cover all the bases...Ik not exactly answering the post question A/B but its not easy being me
OliRos · 18-21, F
As guys are supposed to be so competitive, why would any one of them advise another on how to achieve sexual success, thus increasing the level of competition and reducing his own chance of sexual fulfillment.

Unless you subscribe to the notion that guys are not only competitive but also dumb...
OliRos · 18-21, F
@bijouxbroussard It makes no sense. But then we are talking about guys... 🙄
ArtieKat · M
@OliRos Always rely on you for a witticism or 2
OliRos · 18-21, F
@ArtieKat Oh, I thought I was being serious. 😂
It depends if he has a history of lack of success with dating, or if he's had one or more fulfilling relationships. In the first case, he may want to ask people who know him what they're noticing about him that could be off-putting as he could be unwittingly sabotaging himself. I'm thinking things like only talking about himself, or showing signs of jealousy prematurely, being too controlling, etc.
perceptivei · 36-40, F
Interesting question.

I really think it depends on the age group. A younger woman (35 or below, give or take some) --- ask the man. A woman ready to commit --- ask the women friends.

There are so many factors the play into it, but I'd prefer a man who would take the womens' advice. Previously, I was attracted to "popular" men. Now... not at all.
PhilDeep · 51-55, M
I'd say he asks his women friends because the woman he's likely to like will probably be more similar to them, whereas it's anybody's guess whether the guys who are successful with women are succeeding with anyone even remotely like who he's looking for.

Having said that I just think it can be a huge mistake to clump men and women in to two separate categories generalising each. I think this can lead to a lot of ill feeling, upset and misunderstanding. I personally think it's best to view people strictly as individuals and go from there, in every kind of relationship.
I don't think it works either way.

The women will tell him what they like .
The popular man will tell him what the type of women he likes , likes.

But there's no guarantee that any of it will be what the women he's looking for like.

Edit : and truly ...he can't be anyone but himself....unless he wants to be a player.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
That is actually a tough question.

Women should be able to give you the best answer but sometimes women might not be truthful what they actually like. Sometimes I noticed women say one thing but fall for the opposite. They try not to appear as superficial and silly as men so they extole more lofty virtues. But of course some women are not that way.

Men on the other hand may be able to give you their tricks, but they are precisely that, tricks. They maybe be just deceit.

Tough call.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
Input from both could be helpful, but also misleading. Young women tend to burnish the sweet & innocent myth and promote all the goody right things, but why, then, do so many of them date the bad boys? Young men who are players tend to be just that: game players. In my experience, if there is one thing that is attractive to most women it is self-confidence and that only comes from being comfortable within your own skin and being yourself. And only you can decide what that is and project it.
He should ask a woman he finds desirable and then ask her out after he cultivates those traits🤭
Scribbles · 36-40, F
I think seeking both perspectives is worthwhile.
I would ask the man because he knows what works
sciguy18 · M
I am way out of my league on this one; having little success with women. My thought would be to ask other men who have a great deal of experience with women; as they likely encounter different types. Asking women might be helpful, but only in so far as THEY are concerned (i.e,, they do not speak for all women).
SwampFlower · 31-35, F
Poll everyone. But it might make you look weird from my experience 😅

Not necessarily with attraction but there are just some things people are expected to know without asking (social rules). I am not one of these people who inherently knows things so it makes me look weird when I ask. Doesn't stop me from doing it.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
His female friends. If he has any.
They'll know him well enough to be able to tell him the aspects of his personality they like (hence why he's a friend) and the things they couldn't cope with if they were to consider dating him.
Might be a horrible dent to his ego but a genuine appraisal
fun4us2b · M
Looking back my male "popular" friends gave me the absolute worst dating advise, and female friends advise made no difference that I could tell -

Attraction is just that...you can't fool mother nature!
Convivial · 26-30, F
Neither i think... Let's be honest... How many of us put loyalty or similar at the top of our wish list yet still fall for the bad boy because he's exciting?
@Convivial A fair point. I always tended to avoid “bad boys" because I didn’t want my heart broken, but I know they have their allure.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@bijouxbroussard yep...mr Boring often has all the quantities we seek... But he's boring lol
Ontheroad · M
Women by a mile. Yes, they will tell you what traits they admire, but if asked, they will tell you what their girl pals think too, plus they will be more honest and often more insightful about it than a man is.
Does he want to hook up or make it real? The guy friend can help him hook up, but only we know what makes it real… and all honeymoons end eventually.
SW-User
I think getting hugs from women works. Women can sense that he's popular with women if they smell another woman's scent on him.
@SW-User Interesting.
Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
It’s usually best for guys to ignore advice from other guys, LOL. This applies to more than just dating.
fun4us2b · M
BeepBeep · F
He should be himself, there is someone out there for him.
@BeepBeep But the premise was, from whom should he seek advice ?
deadgerbil · 22-25
I'd go with women
BeJeweled · F
When the young man is on a date, he should ask her what she likes and dislikes in a man.
@BeJeweled But that’s after he’s gotten a date.
Question · 22-25
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@Question For what ?
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
Women, totally. I lean my women friends a lot for advice, and they have yet to steer me wrong.
SW-User
Ask the women friends for advice. Specifically, focus on what they wish they had more of when dating someone.

The only issue is that he should be able to actually live up to these traits that he learns from his women friends. Otherwise it’s just false advertising.
Renaci · 36-40
The later one just sounds like a playa. Lots of shallow experiences but nothing real in depth. May no lots of "cool" tricks. But it also could just be the confidence of the person.
So I'd probably go with the former and ask the female. That and men scare me anyway. Lol
MethDozer · M
Both totally need to ask both.
Same goes for women.
There's strong value of course in asking the group your targeting. However ask men what they want in women, and women what they want in men and you will get a lot of reactionary ideals that don't actually exist in the real world practice on top of a lot of highly personalized qualities. I hate to say it because it often gets skewed into a toxic and insulting quip, but there's some grain of truth in the expression "none of us actually know what we want or are looking for". So you poll one sex or the other and build perfect general mate bases on those qualities alone, and 9x out of ten they will agree they are perfect on paper but the perfect candidate is then ignored by most or all.

Attraction is too nuanced. Also a lot of what any of us humans say that we want isn't true really. We believe they are true so it isn't a lie, but it comes from reaction of the annoyances of over-indulged qualities in past experiences. We are all much, much ,much better describing accurately what we don't want than what we do want.

JMHO.

 
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