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Iwillwait · M
Great question We'll never know their experience, however GOD reaches out to each and every one of us differently, uniquely seeking a relationship with us . Those individuals may have a whole separate life their experiencing unbeknownst to the outside world we are living in. 🤗
Matt85 · 36-40, M
I think God will judge them fairly. Do you trust God to do that?
Pfuzylogic · M
@Amish
We are talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob right.
I do understand that our God is omnipotent.
We are talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob right.
I do understand that our God is omnipotent.
Amish · 22-25, M
@Pfuzylogic There are many people in this world. Not only Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Not necessarily everyone has to believe in the God of Abraham.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Amish
that isn’t an Amish belef.
that isn’t an Amish belef.
Adstar · 56-60, M
There is a thing called braille .. The blind can use their fingers to read it.. The scriptures are produced in braille..
And to be saved a person must believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for their forgiveness..
And to be saved a person must believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for their forgiveness..
BlueVeins · 22-25
lmao that would be an oversight
BlueSkyKing · M
There is a joke.
“Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?
Maybe they are better off.
“Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?
Maybe they are better off.
Pfuzylogic · M
Amish · 22-25, M
@PfuzylogicI guess either your vision is blinded or you lack comprehension skills. No worries!
Pfuzylogic · M
@Amish Are you saved by the blood?
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
I think, you dont need to devote yourself to a schedule your entire life and read a bunch of text to be accepted by god. If we are all children of god then you are a peice of god yourself. If you are created by god to have life wouldnt he want you to enjoy it and spend time experiencing what you want to experience in this life? Maybe that person was created blind and deff for the experience of navigating the world in that way? I think when we die we all go through the same thing and end up in the same place. The ideas of right and wrong are man made and change between cultures.
Amish · 22-25, M
@GuyWithOpinions Absolutely, well said. I agree with your answer.
SW-User
Nobody can achieve salvation. Blind, deaf, or otherwise. It is the finished work of Masiach
SW-User
I don’t know. Abba would make a way
SW-User
Read the sermon on the mount Matt 5-7 ❤️
Let's say you have a young child and you are shopping with that child one day. The child steals a sweet or a toy from the shelf... is this child prosecuted for the crime they committed???
No, because the child is too young to understand that they committed a crime by stealing.
If we transfer this over to a deaf blind person - obviously they aren't hearing or reading scripture... but, does that mean that they don't believe in God??? Not necessarily. I mean, even hearing and seeing people have never seen or heard God himself - yet they have faith.
Deaf blind people could also have faith, too - but they're not able to communicate it in the typical ways... that's where it's important for God to look at them and judge them fairly on judgement day.
No, because the child is too young to understand that they committed a crime by stealing.
If we transfer this over to a deaf blind person - obviously they aren't hearing or reading scripture... but, does that mean that they don't believe in God??? Not necessarily. I mean, even hearing and seeing people have never seen or heard God himself - yet they have faith.
Deaf blind people could also have faith, too - but they're not able to communicate it in the typical ways... that's where it's important for God to look at them and judge them fairly on judgement day.
4meAndyou · F
How would Helen Keller achieve salvation? She would learn American sign, braille, and go from there.
val70 · 51-55
Wrong thinking, I'm afraid. Salvation doesn't come from reading a book nor following any rules like St Paul wrote about. It comes from grace
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
I think the better question would be how does a brainstem baby get salvation if those really were the deciding factors even though they aren't
reflectingmonkey · 51-55, M
maybe the whole idea of salvation, original sin and believing without seeing were all perfect tools to control people and insure obedience from the masses.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Believing in God is not the same as believing in scriptures and litany. Those only tell us ways to conceive and worship God.
Someone unable to read or hear liturgical works can still believe in God, and pray in his or her own way.
Someone unable to read or hear liturgical works can still believe in God, and pray in his or her own way.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Amish I can understand that for any faith (Christianity is not the only fruit) you do need read its texts to understand its definition of its deity, or have them read to you. For someone blind and deaf that would obviously as physically difficult as it would be for him or her to understand anything else; but it would depend on what communication the individual does have with others.
I used to know a lady who was a professional carer for very severely disabled adults, and she told it can be possible to communicate with someone profoundly both blind and deaf, as one of her clients was. To what extent though, is another matter; but they are helped by aids like Braille provided it is possible for them to learn it.
It may be that the sacred texts, written anyway by people not gods, do become less important than the concept of a creative and caring god, over and above any liturgy. Books like those define the deity and guide worshipping it, but it is the deity who matters.
What worries me more, and I think this is what you worries you, is the idea that being unable to read or listen to a religious text bars the person from that religion's deity, hence basically just writes them off.
I used to know a lady who was a professional carer for very severely disabled adults, and she told it can be possible to communicate with someone profoundly both blind and deaf, as one of her clients was. To what extent though, is another matter; but they are helped by aids like Braille provided it is possible for them to learn it.
It may be that the sacred texts, written anyway by people not gods, do become less important than the concept of a creative and caring god, over and above any liturgy. Books like those define the deity and guide worshipping it, but it is the deity who matters.
What worries me more, and I think this is what you worries you, is the idea that being unable to read or listen to a religious text bars the person from that religion's deity, hence basically just writes them off.
Amish · 22-25, M
@ArishMell
What worries me more, and I think this is what you worries you, is the idea that being unable to read or listen to a religious text bars the person from that religion's deity, hence basically just writes them off.
Not all the religions. There are religions that respects people's freedom of belief and choice of God. They focus on good deeds of the person within their circumstances and never attach consequences for not believing in any particular God.
SW-User
You've never read about Helen Keller?
Keller was blind and deaf from the age of two, she had lived a life of isolation, unable to speak words she could not hear, unable to know what a word was. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She believed she felt God's love.
Keller was blind and deaf from the age of two, she had lived a life of isolation, unable to speak words she could not hear, unable to know what a word was. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She believed she felt God's love.
Amish · 22-25, M
@SW-User Yes heard about her. Thanks for making me refresh my memory.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
This is like the timmeh ep of South Park 🍿
Belief doesn't happen due to hearing or reading. It comes from being convinced something is true. Also the Bible says it's already obvious and everyone already believes and anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
Amish · 22-25, M
@canusernamebemyusername How ?
GerOttman · 61-69, M
I remember a kid named Tommy Who had the same problem. I think it was the Acid Queen that got him on the right path. Just stay away from Uncle Ernie and Cousin Kevin!
Dlrannie · 31-35, F
I can only assume you’ve never heard of Braille or Sign Language as ways of communication 🙂
th3r0n · 41-45, M
Braille exists
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
Blind and deaf people communicate all of the time. They communicate with their families,they can even have jobs..
They can read books and write.
Even before modern technology and before the invention of brail usually the people closest to them had ways that they developed to communicate with them
They can read books and write.
Even before modern technology and before the invention of brail usually the people closest to them had ways that they developed to communicate with them
Amish · 22-25, M
@REMsleep True. They learn good things from their family and culture irrespective of being differently abled. The question was in the context of the scenario where some people make exclusive claim about one and only one true God or scriptures...not believing in something landing them in hell etc. In that context the question will challenge that notion.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Emosaur I am not sure about the first bit but I have never heard of any Christians saying being blind or deaf is a "choice"; though there may be some who try use the "God's will" excuse as a sort of comforter.
I am not a believer but I know that statement of yours as it stands is merely a rather cruel and illogical generalisation; by saying effectively that Christians have no common humanity or empathy.
I am not a believer but I know that statement of yours as it stands is merely a rather cruel and illogical generalisation; by saying effectively that Christians have no common humanity or empathy.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Emosaur I see what you mean, but I still doubt they'd agree with blaming the victim. They might take a fatalist "God's will" approach, especially with such misfortunes as illness and disability.
I have had my knees replaced but whether God was involved or not, I certainly did not choose to develop arthritis as you say a Christian would accuse me of doing.
I have had my knees replaced but whether God was involved or not, I certainly did not choose to develop arthritis as you say a Christian would accuse me of doing.