@revenant it's odd how people "think"

@Pretzel people are full of contradictions depending on perceptions !

@Pretzel Yes that is the hypocritical system in some countries with the evil abortion..

@CheshireAzur I get it !

@revenant There is no semantics. Fetus unborn, baby born. Those are the distict terms to separate the "born" from "unborn". If you think that it doesn't matter which development phase the fetus is at, then that's your own lack of knowledge, or acceptance.

@CheshireAzur 😩

@Carazaa "The fact that all persons were once blastocysts does not prove that all blastocysts are persons. This is faulty reasoning. The fact that every oak tree was once an acorn does not prove that every acorn is an oak tree" or that we should regard the loss of an acorn eaten by a squirrel as equivalent to the loss of an oak tree felled by a windstorm." Sandel, Harvard University.

@Graylight agree!

@revenant they would have no choice but to say its one or they no longer have control over their own bodies as it would now be 2 bodies

@xSharp imagine the husband and father to be's grief if the kid was welcome at the news that his baby still in womb is naught !

@revenant would probably be pretty grief stricken unless he didnt want it

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout ugh....................................

@pride49 am I wrong?
Conservatives will say it’s 2 murders.
A liberal will say you can shoot it up until and just after birth 😎👍

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout blech

@revenant

So destiny is the value of a person and it only begins when you're born? Interesting.

So what we've established so far is that a fetus without a parent is not the same as person and since they lack a destiny, they're also not the same as a person.
...so should we consider them persons?

@revenant Your conscience on the matter is just an emotion and has no more bearing on whether or not you're right than being happy or sad about something.

@Straylight well yeah but it is my life's choice

@StrictSouthernHOH 👍

@SW-User thanks

@revenant My instinct... It's a difficult one. I believe a pregnancy involves only an embryo for the several first weeks, and after that a fetus develops. To me, a fetus has the possibility of life but can't be considered viable as outside the womb it would never live without extraordinary efforts. Late term pregnancy (last three months) and you're talking about a life that could be sustained with the right expertise.

So is a murderer taking two lives (in the case of 1st & 2nd term pregnancies)? Not in the sense you might hit a 10-year-old on a bike, no. But he/she is removing the possibility of life. If not for the killer's actions, the fetus would likely grow into a child, or that's the assumption. So if the law allows for two deaths, I'm fine with it.

@Graylight you make sense ! all those corridors heart and mind have to wander through !

@Graylight

That's the same reasoning i had. The double homicide reflects the violation of the intention to carry that fetus to term and have a child.

@Straylight 👍

@Straylight Mostly because science looks at it differently.

@revenant on what? Murdering someone?

@Callmewhatyouwill Thanks for stating the obvious. Laws exist. Nice.

@Callmewhatyouwill yes. What if your conscience does not agree with the law ?

@FlowersNButterflies with me ? oh I am not pregnant if that is what you mean 🙂

Didn't imply you were. It is just such a dark topic, made me wonder where your head is at. @revenant

@FlowersNButterflies my head is fine ! you are puzzling me.

@Adstar my thoughts also

@ABCDEF7 thank you

@Miram some will suggest distinction whether it was premeditated or not

@revenant

It's not wise to be divided over an a-hole that is not worthy of breathing. These are the sort of things that require people to put aside their political differences for a common good.

@Miram good luck with that !