The Lie: The Burden Of Proof Is On The Believers The Truth: The Burden Of Proof Is On The Skeptics

@GodSpeed63
I love the fact that the word of God can be interpreted by the word.
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@GodSpeed63 LMAO

Would that that were true. Good self-sealing answer.

@SomeMichGuy [quote]Would that that were true.[/quote]

It is established Truth, like it or not.

@whowasthatmaskedman [quote]In this case, to counter your unhealthy influence..[/quote]

Since when is sharing the Truth unhealthy?

@GodSpeed63 Sharing "Truth" is rarely unhealthy. (There are exception, such as the wife asking "Does this make my butt look big?) But there is a major difference between the proven scientific truth , that is repeatable under lab conditions and can be tested and your personal salvation at the hands of Jesus. You are entitled to your personal salvation. My only beef with you is that you keep trying to pass it off as science..😷

@whowasthatmaskedman [quote]Sharing "Truth" is rarely unhealthy.[/quote]

So?

[quote]My only beef with you is that you keep trying to pass it off as science..😷[/quote]

I have no problem with science, why do you?

@kodiac Nobody was arguing with you. Can't people just come here and have a regular discussion without people thinking they're wanting to argue with them? That was the last thing on my mind. You were asking questions and I offered my thoughts, that's all. I don't want to argue with anyone. I just thought I would answer your questions which I thought I did a pretty good job of but you always seem to get mad at me so I won't say anything anymore.

@LadyGrace I apologize ,i could and should have just scrolled past this post You have every right to post about your faith here and if i don't agree it's my problem. So i apologize .

@kodiac No problem. Just want to be friends. I apologize if I offended you in any way, as well. That was never my intention if I did.

@JollyRoger As far as I'm concerned people can believe in any religion they want AS LONG as they respect the rights of others to do the same and respect the secular nature of our public institutions.

It doesn't matter to me if my neighbor believes in one God, 20 Gods or no God at all. As long as they don't try to rob me, assault me or try to force their beliefs on me I am content to live and let live.

@badminton Good attitude! The reason I commented back to you was because you seemed to be putting the onus on someone to 'prove' that God exists. As you say: Believe what you want.

@JollyRoger @badminton @BlueSkyKing [quote]We also have freedom from religion. [/quote]

Who said anything about religion? Man made organized religion is a danger to anyone caught in it. This is why God hates it so much.

[quote] As far as I'm concerned people can believe in any religion they want AS LONG as they respect the rights of others to do the same and respect the secular nature of our public institutions. [/quote]

True but there's the other side of the coin that states that we're responsible to believe in the Truth rather than the lie. This is the absolute truth that's been established before the foundations of the earth. This side of the coin often neglected because people want to be their own god rather than have God in their lives. No wonder this fallen world of ours is in such a mess.

@JollyRoger I'm not asking for nor expecting any proof. I'm suggesting such a thing isn't possible.

@Graylight When you say "such a thing isn't possible" do you mean the proof or that there is no possibility of an Omniscent power that creates us?

@JollyRoger @Graylight [quote]In light of your argument with GodSpeed, you will both be waiting a long time for 'proof'.[/quote]

I know it. This is why I'm pitting the Truth of God against the lies of men. In this fallen world of ours there's always going to be Truth and there's always going to be lie. It up to us which to follow and which to believe in. For a lot people it's a hard fact to face.

@DocSavage We wouldnt even be looking into the empty box to see the invisible kittens he wants us to buy unless he called us over..😷

@DocSavage spot on I'm a skeptic of everything I even wrote my own religion in defiance

@jehova wasn't difficult they all say the same thing indicating plagiarism not truth

@Random3838 Chistians have on multiple occasions savagely fought each other over interpretation of the bible. Study the 30 Years War and the 4th crusade that destroyed (Christian) Constantinople.

@Random3838 When they are shown the Word of God and what God says is true, they come up with the excuse that scripture cannot be used as evidence. God meant it as evidence. I think if people don't want to know who God is, they'll use any excuse in the world, but Jesus said to share the gospel, since His mission was accomplished here on Earth and he ascended into heaven. And yes, not all will believe, that's a given. That's a choice only they can make and I hope they will listen to the Holy Spirit when he calls on them.

Jesus gave his ultimate best and MORE than proved Himself to mankind, which was his own life so that he could save us from the condemnation that sin placed on us. Yet sinful man demands more. Think about this. Even though Jesus came in person and did miracles right before people's eyes, some [u]still[/u] rejected him. I don't know how they could have missed it seeing the blind get their sight back and the lame to walk again. So what does this tell us? Jesus said even if one were kind of to come back from the dead and confirm that Jesus is alive, even then, some wouldn't believe. Jesus already proved himself so we don't need proof. We need faith! People can stand around and argue whether or not there is a God or not and if he's alive, all they want, but they can't see the trees for the forest. God didn't leave us to guess how to be saved. We either want to be saved or we don't, and if we do, I don't think we're going to be arguing about every little thing that we don't know, but rather than recognize and appreciate and be grateful for what God [i]did[/i] tell us and show us, which was the most important thing of all... how to be saved. That's all we really need to know to get to heaven. It is enough. Jesus is enough, yet some will argue until they lose that opportunity, and wouldn't that be foolish, to lose your own soul just because you had to have all the answers. Satan will have us stall in disbelief, that's for sure. He doesn't want us to have salvation and Eternity in heaven, but that's up to us. I think it would be foolish to miss the opportunity to just trust what God says in His Word, and be saved. A person would have nothing whatsoever to lose, by accepting Jesus as Savior, but if they continue in disbelief, rather than just trust God and take Him at His word, they'll lose everything, including their own soul. God said so. And that would be such a tragedy. One thing we all know and that is that this Earth is not going to last long, so I think it would be really wise to prepare for the afterlife, instead of everyone debating it. Because our souls are definitely going to go one place or the other and we don't want to leave them to chance. That's for sure. Make no decision and leave our soul to chance and not prepare it for heaven, and our souls will definitely not enter Heaven because we cannot drag our sins into heaven with us, so we must ask Jesus to forgive us. There's nothing hard about that.

@badminton I have seen more people attack Christians, then Christians fighting with each other. True, there were wars, but in this present day, it is obvious that Christians are basically in agreement with doctrine. God's Word says that in the last days many will persecute Christians and that is exactly what is happening. God said it would be even worse in the last days, and it is. I don't think there's any need to argue. People share their beliefs on here, whatever they may be, and that's okay. Not all have to agree nor will agree, but I think it is wrong to argue back and forth. I think we can be adults and show each other respect by just listening, and if we disagree, that's okay too, but at least we can be civil to each other in discussing these things, whatever they may be. Constructive criticism is fine and we can all learn from each other, but when it gets to attacking the person themselves, that's a different story and not necessary.

@exchrist As you wish. But don't forget. Eternity is a very long time to get it wrong so you better be dead sure you're right.

@LadyGrace I'll b reincarnated either way this isn't my first time around the celestial cycle. Probably number 27001. But ur telling me to fear eternity

@exchrist I'm not telling you to fear anything, I'm telling you to get prepared so you don't miss heaven. God says there's no such thing as reincarnation. Are you willing to take that chance? To gamble with your own soul?

@jshm2 You don’t like the "here to stay" methodology that was created during The Enlightenment to eliminate what is false. It has always far easier to prove than disprove.

Ever look at the Baloney Detection Kit? Applied methodology. This is an abridged version:

*Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the “facts.”

* Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.

*Arguments from authority carry little weight — “authorities” have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts.

*Spin more than one hypothesis. If there’s something to be explained, think of all the different ways in which it could be explained. Then think of tests by which you might systematically disprove each of the alternatives.

*Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it’s yours. It’s only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don’t, others will.

*If whatever it is you’re explaining has some measure, some numerical quantity attached to it, you’ll be much better able to discriminate among competing hypotheses. What is vague and qualitative is open to many explanations.

*If there’s a chain of argument, every link in the chain must work (including the premise) — not just most of them.

*Occam’s Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler. Always ask whether the hypothesis can be, at least in principle, falsified…. You must be able to check assertions out. Inveterate skeptics must be given the chance to follow your reasoning, to duplicate your experiments and see if they get the same result.

My adage is: If it’s not science, it’s superstition. Don’t want any of the latter.

@jehova [quote]The burden of "proof" isn't on anyone no one cares if u believe or not it's the individual that believes or not. Choose to be convinced or choosing to question the blindly faithful idk im a skeptic no level of evidence will ever fully convince me[/quote]

You're wrong. God cares if we believe or not. The faith of followers is anything but blind. We have read God's Word and know exactly what we believe and why. Why does that bother you? The only person trying to convince you is the Holy Spirit trying to speak to your heart, but you keep shoving him out and ignoring him. It's you that doesn't give God a chance. You won't even read His words, yet criticize him and pretend you know all about him.

@LadyGrace have a good day miss if God told you that I hope it's true

@jehova And you, as well. I didn't make it up. God is no liar.

@Thodsis I agree I'm never gonna be convinced. Jesus is still alive fyi. So

@Thodsis Says you.

@jehova I think you're absolutely right. It [i]is[/i] up to the individual whether they want God in their life or not. God made it a personal choice but another thing he did before he ascended into heaven, was he told his disciples to go into the world and preach the good news of Salvation through Jesus Christ, so that people would know and future generations would know how to find God and salvation. They became his spokespeople. Just like we have preachers that have been called by the Holy Spirit to share the gospel. Any who follow Christ, are disciples of Christ and therefore do share the gospel. That doesn't mean people will believe them, but there's nothing wrong with sharing the gospel. That is what Jesus told His followers to do. Jesus said that salvation comes by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God.

I love reading and studying the Bible because it is not just any book. In fact, no other book can match it. There is a plethora of wisdom in its pages and there's no other book on this Earth that predicts our future and with such accurate detail as the Bible. It is as up-to-date as [u]tomorrow's[/u] newspaper. It really is a fascinating work of art and perfection, as it is obvious from the contents of its pages that it has been given from God. Careful study confirms this. Satan would have us believe the Bible is flawed with errors and contradictions. Unfortunately, when you have man handing down doctrine over thousands of years, you can expect a few minor changes to words, etc., but not as dramatic as some would have us think, and certainly God's Word is found to be trustworthy, though some who have neglected careful Bible study, claim there are contradictions. Nothing could be further from the truth. When one takes the Bible out of context and tries to understand it without first receiving Christ as Savior and receiving the Holy Spirit upon doing so, this is when men err. Not God. It is the Holy Spirit that teaches and interprets the Word of God for us, as mentioned in Scripture.