The Lie: The Burden Of Proof Is On The Believers The Truth: The Burden Of Proof Is On The Skeptics

@kodiac Thats the thing about faith. Its comes telfon coated and doesnt need proof..Science does..😷

@kodiac The proof is in the experience, nature, and what God tells us in His Word. He is trustworthy.

God didn't make it so we have to know every single little thing about him before we can come to him and receive salvation. We'll know all the details of those things which we don't have answers to right now, when we get to heaven, but I don't know how much more Jesus could have proved himself then when he actually came to Earth, so we be sure to know how to have salvation. He MORE than proved Himself to mankind, when He gave his ultimate best, which was His very own life, so that He could save us from the condemnation that sin placed on us. Yet sinful man demands more. Think about this. Even though Jesus came in person and did miracles right before people's eyes, some [u]still[/u] rejected him. I don't know how they could have missed it, seeing the blind get their sight back and the lame to walk again. So what does this tell us? Jesus said even if one were kind of to come back from the dead and confirm that Jesus is alive, even then, some wouldn't believe. Jesus already proved himself, so we don't need more proof. We need faith! People can stand around and argue whether or not there is a God or not and if he's alive, all they want, but they can't see the trees for the forest. God didn't leave us to guess how to be saved. We either want to be saved or we don't, and if we do, I don't think we're going to be arguing about every little thing that we don't know, but rather than recognize and appreciate and be grateful for what God [i]did[/i] tell us and show us, which was the most important thing of all... how to be saved. That's all we really need to know to get to heaven. It is enough. Jesus is enough, yet some will argue until they lose that opportunity, and wouldn't that be foolish, to lose your own soul just because you had to have all the answers. Satan will have us stall in disbelief, that's for sure. He doesn't want us to have salvation and Eternity in heaven, but that's up to us. I think it would be foolish to miss the opportunity to just trust what God says in His Word, and be saved. A person would have nothing whatsoever to lose, by accepting Jesus as Savior, but if they continue in disbelief, rather than just trust God and take Him at His word, they'll lose everything, including their own soul. God said so. And that would be such a tragedy. One thing we all know and that is that this Earth is not going to last long so I think it would be really wise to prepare for the afterlife instead of debating it. Because our souls are definitely going to go one place or the other and we don't want to leave them to chance. That's for sure. Make no decision and leave our soul to chance and not prepare it for heaven, and our souls will definitely not enter Heaven because we cannot drag our sins into heaven with us, so we must ask Jesus to forgive us. There's nothing hard about that.

@LadyGrace What i don't understand is how anyone can presume to speak FOR god . That to me is as wrong as saying it doesn't exist . All these quotes and suppositions are just that, men claiming to speak FOR god . Then putting forth the explanation that out of billions of people only they know the mind of god.That god speaks through them .

@kodiac [quote]What i don't understand is how anyone can presume to speak FOR god . That to me is as wrong as saying it doesn't exist . All these quotes and suppositions are just that, men claiming to speak FOR god .[/quote]


Nobody is speaking FOR God. God can speak for Himself and He does so in His Word. Believers simply share what God said in His Word. Big difference. We're not adding or taking away anything from His Word. It comes down to whether we want to believe [i]God[/i], or not. Check this out:

https://similarworlds.com/spirituality/faith/4734445-Now-faith-is-the-substance-of-things-hoped-for-the-evidence

@kodiac @whowasthatmaskedman [quote]Nothing has been established. Just because you say so isn't proof.[/quote]

It's not me that says so, it's God that says so. You can bank on it.

@GodSpeed63 No. YOU can bank on it. I want to see the video....😷

@GodSpeed63
Would god be willing to swear to that on a stack of bibles ?

@whowasthatmaskedman @DocSavage [quote]Would god be willing to swear to that on a stack of bibles ?[/quote]

On the day of judgement, God's not going to answer to you two, it'll be you answering to Him of how you lived the life that He gave you with your hand on His Word.

@GodSpeed63 Again how do you a mere mortal know what will happen on anyone's judgment day or that there will even be one?

@kodiac God's Word says so and describes it.

@LadyGrace That's hearsay won stand up in court . I don't mean disrespect but it's like you and godspeed know the mind of god and speak for him.In reality neither of you are any closer to god than the rest of us .

@kodiac It's eyewitness testimonies in the Bible. You seem more interested in disproving God, than finding him. All godspeed and I know, is what is written in that Bible and it's truths. God tells us in his word exactly how he thinks. I'm sure that doesn't cover it all but he does tell us a plethora of his characteristics and how he thinks and it also says that he doesn't think like we do. For example, people think that one sin is worse than the other but Sin is Sin no matter what it is and all sin separates us from God, until we repent and ask forgiveness. Is that so hard to do?

@LadyGrace Doesn't it bother you that god is male? Are all males superior? So it's not gods words at all ,it's stories about god written by men . We can agree the bible was written by men . Why would this omnipotent being leave it mortal men who he created to imperfect to write the instruction manual of how to live ? My.point is people who preach act like there is irrefutable proof of everything they say ,but that's just not true . When asked for proof you fall back to the same manual written by men not god or simply say just because. I'm happy to listen to your thoughts about god but in the end that's all they are ,your interpretation of religion. Just as I'd gladly listen to a Buddhist or muslim . But i don't believe any of them know anymore about the mystery of the universe than an atheist. The my way or the highway philosophy just doesn't work for me

@kodiac You and I have been over that a couple times. God's Word was not written, nor entrusted to just anyone, but if that's what you want to believe, then so be it. And yes, followers of Christ trust and believe what God says in His Word as the absolute truth. God is no liar. He doesn't need to defend himself or his position because he already did that long ago. It is not God that needs to bend to men's expectations. It is man who needs to recognize God for who He is, and how wonderful, beautiful, sinless and pure He is. He cannot be compared to man, who is untrustworthy. We either trust him or we don't. He is no liar.

My beliefs about God are backed up by God's pure Word. Man cannot be trusted, nor is he smarter or wiser than God. Your options are limited. Either believe God or man. Recognize which will get you to heaven.

@kodiac I have bad news for Speedy, just in. God is not only a woman. Shes a black Buddhist.😷

@LadyGrace Respectfully none of what you said has anything to do with my response and that's the problem. Your mind is closed and locked down .How do you know everything there is to know about god? You say it's what god says but as far as i know god doesn't talk to mortals . The entire response was ,well it's true just because. Did god sit at his desk and print out the bible in his own hand? I'm sure you know the lets fill a room with people and whisper a sentence to the first one and then ask the last what was the sentence it won't be remotely close to the original, yet you believe stories thousand of years old passed down by mortal men .I'm happy you have your faith and is comforts you ,but why insist anyone that disagrees should be punished for eternity.

@kodiac When did I ever say I knew everything that is to be known about God? Never. I'm not wanting to argue with you. I gave you my answer and I answered your questions. I've done that many times but your mind seems to be set against salvation and not trusting God.

@kodiac [quote]I'm happy you have your faith and is comforts you ,but why insist anyone that disagrees should be punished for eternity.[/quote]

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that and never have. By now, after the many times I have written to you and explained things in detail, and you say this. You know better by now, and you know what it takes to be saved. If you reject God's Plan of Salvation, you won't be able to say you didn't know, because you do. God told you exactly how to be saved.

@LadyGrace No YOU told me how to be saved, again speaking FOR god
period .God doesn't talk to me .What happens to a sinner that doesn't repent before they die? Quote the bible if you like. I've been nothing but respectful but you still seem offended. Is it because i don't blindly follow any god or man ? Will you admit that there is a chance however remote that you're wrong ? Where is your friend to help defend your position?

@kodiac Wrong. There's nothing wrong with sharing the gospel and that's what Jesus told his disciples to do after he ascended into heaven so that they could spread the news of Salvation through Jesus Christ. I have answered so many of your questions in detail and all the ones you have asked me, to date. Not speaking FOR God. God speaks for Himself in His Word and all I did was share what He said in His Word, so that is not speaking FOR him. I didn't make the plan of salvation, God did...and He tells us in His Word how to be saved, if you want to read that. You have asked me a gazillion questions and I have always answered you, and not according to my interpretation or thoughts, but straight from God's Word, according to what God has given in His Word. And I have been nothing but respectful and kind to you! But you just want to argue, so go off in a corner and argue to yourself. You either believe God or you don't.

@GodSpeed63
What are you complaining about ?
God is supposed to have magical supernatural powers.
The supernatural doesn’t exist, there’s not evidence or data to support it.
God doesn’t exist in time and space = god doesn’t exist in what we call reality.
God is supposed to be spiritual. Therefore he has no dimension, and is imperceptible to any of the five senses human have.
God does not manifest in any manner to can be measured, or recorded.
There is no clear definition defining his nature, we cannot even know if he is in fact a “he” or an “it”
That it to court, and god can’t even swear under oath that he exist.
We met our burden of proof. You haven’t got anything to refute it. Let’s see you come up with something more than “faith”

@LadyGrace I don't believe you . You have not answered any of my questions, as i expected . Namaste

@DocSavage @kodiac [quote]What are you complaining about ?[/quote]

No complaints, Doc, just setting the record straight.

@kodiac [quote]Again how do you a mere mortal know what will happen on anyone's judgment day or that there will even be one?[/quote]

God speaks to me through His Spirit and through His Word. That's how I know.

@kodiac [quote] I don't believe you . You have not answered any of my questions, as i expected . Namaste[/quote]

If you don't like her answers, she can't help that. She did answer you none the less.