I just can't accept the notion that a god who loves anyone at all could order mass murder the way he has. [Spirituality & Religion]

Would you answer mine and give some examples that you actually know what you’re talking about@Emosaur

Non-existent I assume then@Emosaur

@MorbidCynic

Definitely. But right now i'm looking at the abrahamic ones.

@FreestyleArt

[quote]The God I know "Jesus Christ" will let it happen[/quote]

Oh i'm not talking about [i]letting[/i] anything happen. We're talking about [i]ordering[/i] these things to happen.
That's OT god. He's meaner than Jesus.

@Emosaur who says? lol we are free to believe whatever we want

@Emosaur you just don't get it. i give up.

@Carazaa

[quote]You have no fear of God at all![/quote]

Well of course i don't. I don't believe he's real.

I know you wouldn't be ok with me speaking to you the way you're speaking to me right now.
You're angry at me so i'm going to forgive you speaking to me like that.

@Pikachu you speak of things you don't know! Look up Uganda today! Those kids are still being sacrificed to their Gods. You speak so haughty like you are better than God! But you would never die for someone who hates you! Jesus did!

@Carazaa

Yup. There's fucked up things still going on in the world.
But if you told me that the way to help those kids being sacrificed was to kill every child in Uganda...well we'd have a disagreement.

I speak my truth, nothing more and nothing less. You take offense because to you god is not only real but above any reproach, above any recognizable rule of morality.
Don't be cross with me just because i do not share that view. How could i without god revealing himself to me?

@HeilHitler

I know. And as it stands, i don't.

@SW-User

[quote] it's a very "nationalistic" idea of God.[/quote]

That's a good way to put it.

@SW-User

Unavoidably

@Pikachu Careful! Carazaa might agree with you! :-)

Well, yes that notion of it "accurately" reflecting God's will is exactly the excuse used both by those who use religion as a tool of oppression; and by those who are afraid to admit all religious texts are simply statements of their (human) authors' beliefs.

@ArishMell

Well i am in agreement on the belief that the bible and other religious texts are the work of man and not a god.
But these threads are made with the conceit that the god of Abraham is real.

@Pikachu I can see you need that assumption to be able to discuss it logically.

A fundamental weakness of very many religions or even sects is the assumption of monopoly of "truth" and the "reality" of their own deities. Much of the killing and misery inflicted in the name of one or another god stems from that flaw; with the pretence that its unfortunate deity is The One and Only Truly Omnipotent, capable of building a Universe but so insecure it needs violent humans to defend it.

A fundamental weakness of discussions like these is their binary Judaeo-Christian / None division created by fervent believers unable or afraid to see beyond their own scriptures, and accept that theirs has never been the only religious belief of any significance.

The fundamental weakness of blindly believing the "Promised Land" claim is in failing to see it for what it was: Israelite propaganda.

@Pikachu

It is hidden from mankind in an attempt to control us.

@Emosaur

Exactly

@Carazaa

[quote]They killed and sacrificed their own children. That's why God killed all of them.[/quote]

They killed and sacrificed their own children...so god had the isrealites kill all the children....

I'm not seeing how that's supposed to be a good thing, Carazaa.

@Pikachu I will repeat the story for those who don't know the story, that you are twisting, like a lot of atheists twist the Bible.
The Jews were slaves, and were beaten and abused so God helped them and gave them the land of their neighbors who were murderers, rapists, and evil. God helps the weak! He has promissed to help us in life and win ALL our battles. You are putting God in a bad light and that is terrible!

@Carazaa

I wasn't twisting a thing, Carazaa. I just wasn't trying to make myself feel better about slaughtering [i]entire nations[/i] of women and children the way you are.

I said only that i find that kind of butchery to be repugnant.
And i notice that you have yet to explain how killing all the babies is supposed to be better than those evil nations sacrificing some of the babies...

@Pikachu God helps those who love Him, and doesn't help those who hate him, have slaves, and beat them. Simple truth! You seem totally brainwashed by atheists and others who are liars, twist the Bible, and have no understanding! Its sad that after reading what the Jews had to endure as slaves, God has more compassion for them than you! He helped them in war. A loving God who helps the weak!

@Carazaa

[quote] God helps those who love Him, and doesn't help those who hate him[quote][/quote][/quote]

Yup. He's very clear on that.
Obey him and you will be rewarded.
Disobey and you will be punished more severely than you can imagine.
No argument on that count.

I want you to stop insulting me, please.
I am not brainwashed by atheists. I have no group of atheists who taught me this. I have no motivation to be right.

[quote]Its sad that after reading what the Jews had to endure as slaves, God has more compassion for them than you[/quote]

You're missing the point. It's not that i have no compassion for the isrealites. They were slaves in egypt and that sucks.
But that does not ease my mind when it comes to the [i][b]wholesale slaughter[/b][/i] which they perpetrate on other nations under god's orders.

Do you understand that, Carazaa? Do you understand how i could be disgusted by the butchery of every man, woman, child and animal in many nations?
Or is my revulsion at this concept sufficient for you to call me unloving and a liar and brainwashed?
Answer me.

@Pikachu No you are not understanding how weak and helpless the slaves were and you are on the side of the slave owners!

@Cofuzion

[quote]It's difficult because you can't take snippets without reading the whole thing[/quote]

Couldn't agree more.
I think a lot of quote-mining goes on.

But i've never read anything in the bible which convinces me that killing towns of women and children is an ok thing to do🤷🏻

@midnightsun how do you know

@FreestyleArt

Did you also want to apologize for talking shit about me to other users on various threads a week or two ago?

Apologies are all well and good but i'd prefer it if they didn't become necessary.