How does creationism answer this? It's the scientific consensus that modern birds evolved directly from theropod dinosaurs. [Spirituality & Religion]
We even know now that many or even most theropod dinosaurs had some form of feathers. What they also had were clawed forearms, some of which turned into wings.
We see those same forearm/wing claws on some modern birds like the emu, the cassowary and the hoatzin.
This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective since modern birds evolved from dinosaurs but how does creation explain it? Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?
I attended a debate yrs ago between a creationist biologist (based at UC/Berkeley at the time), and a non-creationist (based at Stanford). The creationist raised serious points which were never addressed by the non-creationist, but only scoffed, as though *that* constituted "debate".
The main point which the creationist made was that, though he accepted the obvious progression of forms, he--as a creationist--said that he believed that the mechanism of introduction of new forms was via a direct act of creation. Further, he mentioned
A) the lack of the predicted "intermediate forms" in the fossil record, pointing to fish, in particular, due to their smaller sizes, great numbers, ubiquity in the fossil record, and short life cycles; and
B ) the inability of gradual accretions of random changes to explain whole systems which require parts which work together to make sense, suggesting a more fully-formed assemblage.
That was a while ago, and the theory of evolution, itself, has evolved a lot from its inception, under pressures placed upon it by facts. It seems to me--as an admitted non-biologist, even a person pretty disinterested in biology--that the two most noteworthy of these might be
1) the abandonment of the idea of the accretion of gradual, random changes in favor of punctuated equilibrium;
2) the abandonment of any single line of support in favor of consilience, the converging of various lines of evidence toward a common conclusion.
I have heard it said that objection A is incorrect, tgat intermediate forms are found, but I do not know if this has ever been answered adequately/satisfactorily. I am not sure if objection B can ever be answered adequately/satisfactorily.
However, consilience means that the argument, as a whole, does not rest upon only one leg, and I accept that.
Fot my own part, I believe in God, and the common thread of the 2 creation stories in Genesis is that God is responsible for all of creation. I can accept that without needing Him to be forced into any particular actions other than having created the framework within which Life would inevitably arise. I see no conflict between science and a rational look at Scripture and the New Testament.
[quote]Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?[/quote]
God is truly a marvel, am I right?
I mean, this is just one of zillions of questions you have no clue how to answer. For all we know, you may be asking the wrong questions entirely!
I mean, God knows when a single sparrow falls from the sky. You have no idea how many are even here, or how exactly they got here! Maybe one of those 'missing links'.
I think it's wonderful of you to remind everyone of God, just days before Easter - when we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
@CookieLuvsBunny Your question why didn't God kill every animal. He actually did. I had forgotten that he killed all life (except seeds i guess) Why he did, I am not so sure, except he said that it was sinful. And God had cursed all creation after Adam and Eve disobeyed Him of course so it was all cursed because of our disobedience and we were thrown out of paradise.
@CookieLuvsBunny Why do I worship? Because it is the truth and I am not into happiness in this life as much as truth!
When I was a little girl I asked God for wisdom. I said to him in my little smug self. Prove yourself to me, I am putting this coin here on my dresser and if you have taken it away when I sleep I will know that you are God. Then I went to sleep. When I woke up the coin was still there of course and then I realized how God doesn't have to prove his existence to me at all. I started crying feeling so ashamed that I had doubted Him and that I had asked him to do something so meaningless for me since he made the whole world.
I cried for a long time and read the Bible starting in Genesis. I have always loved reading but nothing like trying to figure God out. There is just nothing that is so fun and rewarding. I really want to understand Him. He has thousands of promises for us in the Bible too.
I have put him to the test. many, many, times. Jesus says if you have faith and put him first He will answer all your requests.
Jesus says "If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it" John 14:14
@SomeMichGuy Undoubtedly more rational than most but you've said some pretty ridiculous shit to me before. I mean, I'm NOT religious and I'm not rational, so go figure.
Sorry that you had to be told to re-read what was said. YOU were disrespectful to not be able to stay on point.
[quote] I have given you Jesus own words why there are spiritual lessons and I did answer your question[/quote]
No, you didn't. I could give you words of Jesus, too, which would also shed no light upon your claim that the Earth might seem older than it is. Let's see...how about His rebuke of Mary when she was goading him at the wedding at Cana? How about the parable of the Good Samaritan? How about His remark to the disciples about the poor? How about His Sermon on the Mount?
Those are ALSO words of Jesus which ALSO are not germaine to your point.
[quote] I don't like your tone of voice and disrespect so I am ending my conversation here. Have a nice day. [/quote]
Or do you not like being asked why you claim something and actually have me try to get you to support what you have claimed, rather than using misdirection?
@Budwick [quote]And, you keep on making the same tire, old questions, making 'scientifically proven' claims. [/quote] I keep asking the question because those who claim to have all the answers (in the bible) never answer them.
[quote]Trust me - I would prefer if you were to never bring the topic up again -[/quote] I've a suggestion for you. When I ask as question, just ignore it. If you don't respond, I can't complain about your response.
@GodSpeed63 Wrong again. [b]Your[/b] claim is invalid as you have [b]never[/b] managed to produce a single shred of evidence to support it. That fact alone is evidence that your god thing is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.
@Bushranger [quote] No, the invisible unicorns are orange.[/quote] Of course they are, that's clear to all true believers who have accepted the spirit of The Invisible Pink Unicorn into their hearts. Infidels who don't have The Spirit cannot understand that. Rather sad really. :(
all this creationism bullshit and this hang up on evolution...
the simple answer is how does creationism explain stars that are billions of light years away that we can see then the earth is only 6000 years old lol
Mocking Christians is not very kind! But if there is no God then we don't have to be kind because there is no one to account to. And if we can [i]prove[/i] there is no God then we can do exactly what we want and not worry about a mean old God who will punish us for our smugness. Then we can sit around and talk crap about those stupid Christians who don't know as much as we do. Here is the proof we found it, look, look, adaptation! The fact is that adaptation does not prove that God did not create animals who adapted. I am not a biologist but many biologists say that there is not a single creature that is right now in between two species.
@Carazaa [quote]And if we can prove there is no God then we can do exactly what we want and not worry about a mean old God who will punish us for our smugness[/quote]
Ever heard of the amygdala? It's a part of our brain that governs emotion and empathy.
@Pikachu I think you missed my point. What I am saying is that we aren't interested in the latest research, because we have all our answers already. Science change all the time, but I am more interested in Gods words.
But you don't have the answers, carazaa. "God did it for reasons" does not explain anything. It's a place holder for actual knowledge.
I understand that you may be content with that but i'm certainly not.
Look to god's word for how to live your life or how to praise jesus or whatever. Look to science when you want to explain how the world around you actually works.
