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How does creationism answer this? It's the scientific consensus that modern birds evolved directly from theropod dinosaurs. [Spirituality & Religion]

We even know now that many or even most theropod dinosaurs had some form of feathers.
What they also had were clawed forearms, some of which turned into wings.

We see those same forearm/wing claws on some modern birds like the emu, the cassowary and the hoatzin.

This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective since modern birds evolved from dinosaurs but how does creation explain it?
Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?

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Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?[/quote]

God is truly a marvel, am I right?

I mean, this is just one of zillions of questions you have no clue how to answer.
For all we know, you may be asking the wrong questions entirely!

I mean, God knows when a single sparrow falls from the sky.
You have no idea how many are even here, or how exactly they got here! Maybe one of those 'missing links'.

I think it's wonderful of you to remind everyone of God, just days before Easter - when we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Budwick
God is a marvel of the human imagination
@Budwick

[quote]God is truly a marvel, am I right?
[/quote]

Or of course non-existent which fits rather better with this particular evidence.

On the one hand we've got "god works in mysterious ways" and on the other we've got common descent.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@CookieLuvsBunny It's OK, I understand.
If you can't explain it - it's not real.
@Budwick

[quote]If you can't explain it - it's not real.[/quote]

I suggest you keep that criticism in mind next time you decide to discuss evolution
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Budwick
No, what you describe is a common Christian fallacy
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Pikachu [quote]non-existent which fits rather better [/quote]

Yes, for your purposes, I suppose it would.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@CookieLuvsBunny [quote]a common Christian fallacy[/quote]

To an atheist / non-believer, I can see how you might think that.

I must be frustrating for you guys.
@Budwick

Well not for [i]my[/i] purposes but for the purpose of seeking the answer with the most [i]explanatory power[/i].
You'll agree with me that "god did it for reasons" does not have the same explanatory power for this evidence which is boasted by evolution with common descent.

Although i suppose i shouldn't say that god's non-existence fits better. A non bible literalist interpretation wherein god created animals via the mechanism of evolution fits equally well.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Budwick
No. I see the same plays out of the same playbook so much I usually know how the conversation is going to go
Budwick · 70-79, M
@CookieLuvsBunny [quote]I usually know how the conversation is going to go[/quote]

Wow! That sounds almost supernatural!
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Budwick 😉
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Pikachu [quote]seeking the answer with the most explanatory power.[/quote]

And for those blessed with a belief in God ALL the answers are answered by God. Just think of! One stop shopping for all those unanswered questions of yours!
@Budwick

Yeah man. I don't contest that it is the [i]easier[/i] way to view the world.
It just doesn't offer much in the way of actual answers, as you've shown here.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Pikachu [quote]It just doesn't offer much in the way of actual answers[/quote]

Actually God does.
God may not fit your scientific logic matrix but trust me - it's the fault of your scientific logic matrix - not God.
@Budwick

[quote]Actually God does.[/quote]

Sorry... so what was the god-based answer for the question in this thread?

I remember that the naturalistic one was that modern birds share an evolutionary ancestry with theropod dinosaurs and so it's not strange or even surprising that they should share some phenotypic features.
What was the god answer, again?

Point proven
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Pikachu [quote]What was the god answer, again?[/quote]
"So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."
@Budwick


Wiiiich in no way answers the question of why some modern birds have the same wing claws that theropod dinosaurs do.
No explanatory power compared to evolution.

Again, thank you for providing a perfect example proving my point.
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Budwick

[quote] according to their kinds, [/quote]

What is a "kind?"
Carazaa · F
@CookieLuvsBunny same species I think!
Budwick · 70-79, M
@CookieLuvsBunny [quote]What is a "kind?"[/quote]

Well, it';s supposed to be a secret - among Christians, I luv bunnies too, so I'll make an exception. [Kinds - Presbyterians, Methodist, etc.] OK, bad joke.

I think Caraza has it right - species.
@Carazaa @Budwick

[quote]species.[/quote]

Unlikely.
Consider the story of noah's ark. God commanded noah to put between two and seven of each kind of animal on the ark. Since we are given the dimensions of the ark we know it would be utterly, absurdly impossible to place at least two members of each [i]species[/i] inside.
"Kind" must then refer to higher taxonomic level. This becomes a little problematic if we deny evolution since animals are meant to reproduce only after their own kind and this would necessarily involve some fairly significant changes over successive generations.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Pikachu And old Peekaboo is back to correct everybody!
Remember - Peekaboo may not know everything, nut certainly knows more than God!

God may not fit your scientific logic matrix but trust me - it's the fault of your scientific logic matrix - not God.
@Budwick

I know you really hate it when i point out a mistake you've made but... well even within the framework of your own belief, "kind" doesn't appear to fit with species.
You can be salty about that if it helps you deal but it won't change the facts.🤷🏻
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu God brought the animals to Noah, and the arc had many stories. I think it is not absurd. The animals were small probably too. There was also many animals in the water that survived the flood. Of course God could have done some changes to the animals, some adaptations, for different climates etc. later, but I think there was definitely a flood, and God did it because of mans sins. And since you brought up Noah's arc. It says in the Bible that Jesus will come back when it is like the days of Noah. So a bigger question for me is, Are we like the days of Noah now? And if so how? And are we ready for his return?
CookieLuvsBunny · 31-35, F
@Pikachu @Budwick
That was why I asked. I've never been given a satisfactory answer. The term "Kind" is used in Noah's ark narrative but that "kind" couldn't mean species. But, if it is a higher taxonomic category, i.e Genus, that would preclude reproduction within the kind and necessitate evolution