How does creationism answer this? It's the scientific consensus that modern birds evolved directly from theropod dinosaurs. [Spirituality & Religion]
We even know now that many or even most theropod dinosaurs had some form of feathers. What they also had were clawed forearms, some of which turned into wings.
We see those same forearm/wing claws on some modern birds like the emu, the cassowary and the hoatzin.
This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective since modern birds evolved from dinosaurs but how does creation explain it? Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?
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@Pikachu though this whole post is probably just to mock christians, read Dr. Andrew Snellings, a geologist's work on Rock, Strata, fossils and the flood. It's on You-Tube too. I am not an expert but I believe the Bible's account of the flood and he says the earth is young and the fossils prove it.
Honestly? Getting kinda sick of this attitude that any challenge or criticism i make is mocking you or christians.
That's not how i roll. I make posts for which i think there is room for discussion and debate. If you don't think i'm being genuine then don't waste your time on me.
Did we not already talk about how the flood can't explain stratified fossil layers? Does he address that?
Don't waste your time on me, really? Please calm down and read all your comments about christians on this post before anyone had made a single comment!
No. I'm tired of defending myself to you. You seem to take every challenge as a personal attack. I've not mocked you NOR christians and yet you keep bringing it up. Having just now gone through this thread to see what terrible, mocking things i said, i see that you already made a post here where you accused me of being mocking.
So i ask you again since you did not answer that time, what about this post is mocking christians? Which christians have mocked here for their beliefs?
Blue MetalChick said to you, "you'r wasting your time pikachu, if they can be reasoned with there wouldn't be any religious people." You said "I likely am! "That is hurtful! That is mocking. I just don't talk about others unless they are lying about God! I would never say "oh those atheists can't be reasoned with and I am wasting my time trying! " i just don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
We already talked about this so can we stop it now please? You even apologized earlier which was so nice! Thank you! I am not mad now at all I am only pointing out that was why I wrote my fist response on this post a few weeks ago.
It's hurtful to you that i agreed that i am likely wasting my time trying to get a meaningful answer to this question? Why? How am i mocking anyone when i acknowledge that i'll likely not get very much debate out of this? And was i wrong? Did [i]any[/i] christian in this thread actually attempt to debate the subject? No. This isn't mockery, carazza. This is experience.
And i did apologize if you thought i was mocking you or other christians because it is never my intent to mock people who genuinely engage with me. With that in mind, maybe you'll be a little less sensitive to challenges and view my posts in a more charitable light. You'll note that for example in the post you mentioned, i explicitly did not agree with the notion religious people are impossible to reason with. We can stop talking about it if you agree to stop accusing me of mockery.
@Carazaa [quote]I am not an expert but I believe the Bible's account of the flood and he says the earth is young and the fossils prove it.[/quote]
The Flood *is* well-attested by sediments throughout a large region, but that is a lot different from saying that the Earth is young.
The testimony of physics from various points of view is that the universe has to be BILLIONS of years old, not thousands. Even from archaeology, there are fishhooks from around 10,000 yrs ago, or around 4500 yrs earlier than a young Earth of maybe 5500 yrs.
The distribution of elements in the Universe, the radioactive decay of unstable isotopes, etc., etc., etc., all point to an older Earth in an older Universe.
I'm sure there's evidence for large floods, but as far as i know, there's no way to square a global flood with the geological and paleontological evidence.
@SomeMichGuyIf you are quoting me, you are quoting me out of context I have never said that I think the earth is young. I do think that God made Adam and Eve looking old in one day so he can certainly make the earth look older than it is, but I don't know that for sure of course.
Yeah, i've never doubted that the story is based on a real cataclysmic event. Just not global in scale. It's much easier to square a local disaster. Even if we wan to take the story of noah's ark more seriously. It makes much more sense that he put a bunch of livestock and maybe some other animals on a boat and rode out the flood than that he put two of every animal on board. Not to mention that this local event wouldn't conflict with the fossil record.
@Carazaa [quote]If you are quoting me, you are quoting me out of context I have never said that I think the earth is young.[/quote]
I directly quoted you in this thread.
Go re-read it.
[quote] I do think that God made Adam and Eve looking old in one day so he can certainly make the earth look older than it is, but I don't know that for sure of course. [/quote]
? where do you get the "God [making] Adam and Eve looking old in one day"?
And why would the God of Light seek to deceive us by "[making] the earth look older than it is"...? That sounds a lot more like Satan, doesn't it?
Well "local" i a relative term. I use it only to differentiate from global. Like i said, i don't doubt that the flood myths have their base in a real cataclysmic event.
@SomeMichGuy @Pikachu Regarding why God would deliberately deceive some and not give everyone "spiritual eyes" to see Gods [i]true[/i] intentions in the Biblical stories, Jesus doesn't go into the details, but here He clearly says that God does that.
Mark 4:10-12 10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"
God wants faith, and a longing for truth! If we read the Bible to prove a point because we don't like the truth, God will hide the truth for us.
@Carazaa [quote]On the 6th day he made Adam, so the way I read it he made him an adult![/quote]
"Fully-formed as an adult" is not the same as "old in a day", which is misleading because it sounds as though Adam was put through a process to age him. I figured this was some extra-Biblical notion related to the "Fall"...
@Carazaa [quote]Regarding why God would deliberately deceive some and not give everyone "spiritual eyes" to see Gods true intentions in the Biblical stories, Jesus doesn't go into the details, but here He clearly says that God does that.[/quote]
Not what I wrote and your quote does not address my point.
@SomeMichGuyIf God made Adam 20 years old on the 6th day his bones would look like they are "older" than a new born baby. It is very possible that something can be made in a few hours that looks thousands of years old too. They have experimented with rocks to look old that are a few minutes old in reality some researchers. I don't know the age of the earth, but the "fall" and sin can also age the look of something I believe.
