How does creationism answer this? It's the scientific consensus that modern birds evolved directly from theropod dinosaurs. [Spirituality & Religion]
We even know now that many or even most theropod dinosaurs had some form of feathers. What they also had were clawed forearms, some of which turned into wings.
We see those same forearm/wing claws on some modern birds like the emu, the cassowary and the hoatzin.
This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective since modern birds evolved from dinosaurs but how does creation explain it? Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?
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Mocking Christians is not very kind! But if there is no God then we don't have to be kind because there is no one to account to. And if we can [i]prove[/i] there is no God then we can do exactly what we want and not worry about a mean old God who will punish us for our smugness. Then we can sit around and talk crap about those stupid Christians who don't know as much as we do. Here is the proof we found it, look, look, adaptation! The fact is that adaptation does not prove that God did not create animals who adapted. I am not a biologist but many biologists say that there is not a single creature that is right now in between two species.
@Carazaa [quote]Mocking Christians is not very kind![/quote]
It's not only unkind but very stupid. This is what happens when skeptics run into a wall trying to prove the lie of evolution to be true and can't do it. So, their only defense is ridicule, mock, and act worse than a mule. One thing more, if there is no God, man wouldn't create one or even think of creating one. The desire to seek out God wouldn't be in him.
[quote]I am not a biologist but many biologists say that there is not a single creature that is right now in between two species.[/quote]
[quote]Mocking Christians is not very kind![/quote]
I'm at a loss as to which part of this post you believe is mocking christians. It certainly wasn't my intention. Which part do you feel is mocking?
I'm not talking shit about anyone here, carazaa. I'm asking how a creationist who believes that god created the animals in their present form accounts for this particular evidence. I understand that you may feel defensive but don't let that lead you into misrepresenting my intention or argument.
[quote] if there is no God then we don't have to be kind because there is no one to account to.[/quote]
I disagree with you there 100% Just because there is no god or divine arbiter or judge doesn't meant that there are not human consequences to being unkind. Social consequences, professional consequences, criminal consequences.
I don't understand this notion that some christians seem to have that if god doesn't exist then you might as well be an asshole. I mean, is the only thing keeping you in check that god will judge you? Yeah, me neither.
[quote]Here is the proof we found it, look, look, adaptation! [/quote]
But we're not talking about simple adaptation here, carazaa. We're talking about a group of animals that have fundamentally changed. They share key characteristics in their morphology, but we're not talking about a beak better adapted for cracking nuts here. We're talking about the difference between a velociraptor and a chickadee.
And yes, god could have created animals to evolve. No reason why he couldn't. And you've agreed with that which is why i fin it so strange that you refuse to even consider the idea that evolution is true.
@Carazaa No one is mocking? Also viruses evolve everyday. That is why Aids is such a problem. We could have already cured it if it didn't stop adapting and evolving. But no evolution doesn't discount God either. Also if their was no God that doesn't give people a right to do what they want. Most people are born with morals and if a person needs any belief system to prevent them from doing murder then they never were good to begin with.
[quote]. One thing more, if there is no God, man wouldn't create one or even think of creating one.[/quote]
I disagree and i think the motivation for creating a god is very obvious. People like to have answers. Before we were able to discover actual mechanisms for things like lightening and illness, we still needed to feel in control. We still needed to have a reason. We crave security. The same security we experienced as children when mom and dad knew everything and were all powerful. And so we fabricated beings which explained that which we could not explain and gave us comfort by thinking that there was someone in charge of all of this.
It's not mystical or divine. It's just human nature. It's as simple as that.
@Pikachu [quote]What about this post do you find mocking?[/quote]
Why are you asking me?
[quote]I disagree and i think the motivation for creating a god is very obvious.[/quote]
FYI, if Yahweh didn't live, man wouldn't even think, if that were possible, of creating a god. The desire to seek Yahweh's face would not present in the heart of man. The word, God, would not be in his vocabulary.
It's not only unkind but very stupid. This is what happens when skeptics run into a wall trying to prove the lie of evolution to be true and can't do it. So, their only defense is ridicule, mock, and act worse than a mule.[/quote]
So did you find that this post was mocking christians in any way or was that business about atheists having to ridicule in place of argumentation just a general complaint which is not represented here?
[quote]FYI, if Yahweh didn't live, man wouldn't even think, if that were possible, of creating a god.[/quote]
Well that's your faith claim, yes. You have no proof for it, nor can it necessarily be refuted. Such is the nature of unfalsifiable claims.
However, i DID supply a logical rout by which humans would still conceive of a god even though one does not exist. If you take issue with that reasoning then point out the errors. If you are content to simply repeat "No, god is real and that's why we can conceive of a god" then i'm content to let you. I just don't want you to leave under the impression that you made a good point.
[quote]subspecies in American (ˈsʌbˌspiʃiz ) noun any natural subdivision of a species that exhibits small, but persistent, morphological variations from other subdivisions of the same species living in different geographical regions or times: the subspecies name is usually the third term (not capitalized) in a trinomial (Ex.: the scientific name for Neanderthal man is Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) [/quote] An example of this would be Key deer are a subspecies of Whitetail deer.
@Carazaa [quote]And if we can prove there is no God then we can do exactly what we want and not worry about a mean old God who will punish us for our smugness[/quote]
Ever heard of the amygdala? It's a part of our brain that governs emotion and empathy.
