Since when did Christians get a free pass to judge? [Spirituality & Religion]

If you will bear with me I will attempt to explain "judge not lest you be judged " but at the same time "you shall know them by their fruit "
If we profess to be Christians we have always been our brothers keeper in a sense ,
we are to confess our sins one to another ,but as a Christian I have learned not to (to many today who profess to be Christians will us the information to hurt you as much or more so then the World ,
I confess to those I have wronged and my family knows all there is to know about me ,I will confess my sins to them and ask their forgiveness and for them to pray for me .
When we take communion we are warned if we have wronged someone or a problem with another believer ,to leave the table and make it right before we take communion ,
it is a reminder as to what Christ did for us ,and now He is in us too ,,so as He forgives ,We have to as well .
So, willful sin ,or bitterness against another ,you need to deal with it first ,but since the cross we don't need a priest or a pope ,we just ask Christ to forgive us ,and by faith ,accept His forgiveness
But as for the Church judging ,there is a procedure that was a common practice years ago ,but with so much sin even in the church today ,its easy to see why most Christians don't follow the practice anymore , but it does not apply to non believers ,,only fellow Christians
It goes like this
If we see a brother who is say a drunk ,loves to drink but not work ,is mean to his kids ,beats his wife ,but loves to preach the "Word of God","Thus saith the Lord ",,well we are to go to him ,and tell him he brings shame on the body ,
that his witness harms the church ,,if he repents then we have helped redeem his soul .(only a fool hates godly correction when they are in the wrong )
but if he refuses correction (Mind you drinking is not a sin of itself ,most sin starts in the heart ,not the habit ,,and drinking is not in the 10 ,,but in the list of things that can exclude you from the kingdom of God ,being a drunkard is mentioned )
Ephesians 5:18 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. ,
Rev 22: 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

(sorcery has a lot of meanings ,a one can be to be drunks and to use drugs ,things that alter the mind ,many times the use of wine for instance was allowed ,but to be a drunk is not ,stubbornness and witchcraft are mentioned as sorcery ,,Idolatry can be many things not just idol worship ,so study is required to understand the words correctly ,
but sin is transgression of the Law ,the 10
1 John 3:4 ,gives the Biblical definition of sin .

Now to know how these words apply to being a drunk or an addict ,even an unconverted sinner (Dog )or any of the rest ,you are a Christian who studies ,you want to know what this means if it can exclude you from Gods kingdom .exactly how Gods word defines it (Not mans meaning ,Gods ,and His word does reveal the definitions ,especially when its things He warns us we better not do if we say we are His )

So if you say you are a brother but live in open sin ,as one who loves you ,I would try to council you .
Not judge and heap more condemnation on you ,but as one who loves you ,and is concerned about you ,and your witness, not just to the world but just as much to your family,
Men are held accountable to be the spiritual head of his family , He is suppose to be the example .
But I come to you in love , but you won't hear me ,
then I am to come back with 2 or more witnesses ,,and tell your again in their presence .
Now if you tell us all to screw off and you are unwilling to repent (ask forgiveness and then turn from it )
then its to be brought before the church and in the day ,that person was shunned until they repented ,,
This in not normally done to a babe in Christ ,they are just coming to the Lord and some time to grow is granted ,this is for those who profess to the world
I am a son of God ,
So I do openly profess to me a born again Child of God ,I am putting myself out there ,but my actions should speak louder then my words .
if I live in open sin and you have fault against me ,,,then I want you to tell me so I am not setting a bad example .and also so I can deal with it ,I do not wish to be the cause of others judging the Church as liars and sinners who just pretend to love God ,and even scarier ,that I might lead someone else to stumble too .
You know ,just like this post ,the world looks for stones to throw ,
They love to say "And that man calls himself a Christian "
So you see if the world is judging us ,and their accusations are valid ,then a good brother would want to hear something they do is bringing shame to Christians as a whole or is out of order ,so we can deal with it .

Paul was so devout he said if his eating meat offended someone then he would never eat meat again ,We are to flee from sin and even the appearance of it,
We are not to give others a reason to accuse the Body ,the Body of Christ .
We represent Christ ,so one would hope you see Christ in us ,not just more Hippocrates .
Now here is where the scripture "Judge not lest you be judged" applies
its a warning ,,you can bring an accusation against a brother ,BUT if you do you had better have your own house in order ,
NEVER can any of us judge the salvation of another ,we do not know Gods plan
King Nebuchadnezzar and Saul aka Paul are good examples ,,God used both ,even though both men did harm to Gods people ,but God had a plan to use both .
But we can judge the fruit a tree bears ,if you say you are Gods ,then some fruit should reflect that

Galatians 5:22-23King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

A brother or sister ,(I know I used brother in this but I mean a child of God male and female )
Who leads others to sin ,either by teaching error ,or by their open sin
These are called stumbling blocks
The Bible says it would be best for them to tie a mill stone around their necks and cast themselves into the ocean as to lead Christs flock astray
But all this is only for a person who says they are "Saved" a Child of God who has been converted from a dog or Gentile ,into a spiritual Jew ,,,
Who has asked Christ as the Holy Spirit into their lives .
One who is unsaved is said to be dead in sin ,and not accountable to the laws of God ,,this is only for the saved ,who say they have died to sin ,
they have been buried in Christ in Baptism (buried in water is the burial ,raised from the water represents Christ being raised from the dead )
We are symbolically dead and buried ,it was not us who come's up ,it was Christ ,
that is why John Baptizing Christ was important ,,it was the beginning of a 7 year prophecy ,but it was also for our example ,
We are saying we have died to self ,now we willingly want to live to please God ,so if we forget who we say we are ,a brother or sister who actually loves me
will remind me who I represent if they see me in open sin ,
I am not just bringing shame to myself and my witness ,but to everyone who says they are a Christian too ,,the World loves when one sins ,especially a Preacher ,then they have an excuse to blame all Christians
So yea ,we are asked by God to keep an eye on each other ,to help us all to be better examples ,,not just to judge

Hello, I wanna see if I can correct the poor teaching you were given. I feel there is a critical confusion of judgement and condemnation. This is a long read, and I apologize.

We make judgements of peoples lives so we can lead people in areas of their lives to live a life worthy of God.

It's like how you make judgements of what to wear based off the weather. You're not going to condemn the weather because it's cold, you're going to adjust the clothing you wear.

Similarly, We are to make judgements of how to lead others based on the current fruit of their life. We are not to condemn others for their lifestyles, we are to adjust our leadership because of their struggles. This applies to believers and non believers alike.



I can look this up for the exact scripture, but yes, we are called to make judgements of people [b][u]and ourselves [/u][/b]in accordance to God's own judgement.

That full scripture says "do not judge by any standard you don't hold yourself to, because I will judge you according to your own standard"

No, we are not supposed to be taught to belittle people; instead we are supposed to be taught to judge [otherwise discern] our own and others whose lives we are part of actions/lifestyles

What is this standard? The standard that we should use is that which is painted throughout the Bible. My favorite example is from psalm 15:2

Who may worship in your sanctuary, Lord ?
Who may enter your presence on your holy hill?

Those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts.

Those who refuse to gossip or harm their neighbors or speak evil of their friends.

Those who despise flagrant sinners, and honor the faithful followers of the Lord , and keep their promises even when it hurts.

Those who lend money without charging interest, and who cannot be bribed to lie about the innocent.

Such people will stand firm forever.

Another example of standards in proverbs 6:16


There are six things the Lord hates— no, seven things he detests:
haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that kill the innocent,
a heart that plots evil,
feet that race to do wrong,
a false witness who pours out lies,
a person who sows discord in a family.

psalm 101
I will be careful to live a blameless life— when will you come to help me?

I will lead a life of integrity in my own home.

I will refuse to look at anything vile and vulgar.

I hate all who deal crookedly; I will have nothing to do with them.

I will reject perverse ideas and stay away from every evil.

I will not tolerate people who slander their neighbors.

I will not endure conceit and pride.

I will search for faithful people to be my companions.

Only those who are above reproach will be allowed to serve me.

I will not allow deceivers to serve in my house, and liars will not stay in my presence.

My daily task will be to ferret out the wicked and free the city of the Lord from their grip.

micah 6:8
No, O people, the Lord has told you what is good, and this is what he requires of you: to do what is right, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

So that's kind of the run down on that. These are the standards that we as followers of Christ want. Now, when we share our faith, we are not to say, "you don't live this way or believe this? You're going to hell!"

No, we are to simply teach them about the standards we live by and teach them about our way of life and that we believe God can give them wonderful, new life.

Belittling people and condemnation and all that is not what God intended us for.

Condemnation belongs to God alone, because he is the one who judges our life at the end.

I hope this clears things up somewhat.

This is actually a pretty good topic now that I think about it. A lot of society's problems stem from judgement, more specifically groups judging others. Unfortunately judgement is something we as humans just do subconsciously. It takes a real conscious effort to be able to go "you know what, Im not going to let my subconscious judgement of this person get in the way of having a good interaction." If more people would do that, I think the world would be a better place. That and more honesty.

I have heard the word "discernment" replace the word judging.

Not so and there is a scripture that says Judge ye...with righteous judgement. ...and what exactly is a “so called Christian”? Haven’t heard of that denomination or were you just...judging
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Everyone judges each other. There's no escaping peer judgement,it will always be there. In a way its a good thing, it creates some standards and expectations. Society is judgemental, it's just how it goes end of discussion.

"Walking the walk" isn't exactly a virtue for the majority of Christians. Not necessarily their fault. Their doctrine is full of loopholes. Do something shitty, ask god for forgiveness and you're good to go. Guess that's what comes with "belief." You get to make the rules.

Those Christians are why I became Atheist

A big problem with organized religion seems to be that, it teaches all these preconceived notions, that you just have to accept without applying logic to. So religion tends to cause social separation and tries to impose on people, instead of offering them some guidance. What people really need is guidance and support rather than commandments.

People of every size, shape, color and creed are gonna judge you on anything they perceive. It's no more relevant than you choose it to be, lasts a moment and then people move on to the next thing. Don't worry about it

I didn't get a free pass to juge,i paid for mine,i don't use it much anymore,

They would be wrong for judging. But then for me to say that Id also be judging. Just make peace in your life and worry less about things that are beyond your control

And Americanized Christianity makes it okay to be greedy, filthy rich, and a cheapskate in charitable causes.

that seems to be a human failing - "out of context" is so overly used - but it does allow us to do what we please without bein consistent :)

My opinion is there is only one God one Judge one way in through his son again that's only my opinion

Never. It’s not their place.

They never had the right, they just got away with it.

Yep, cherry-picking Scripture. Everything that they’ve decided doesn’t apply to [b]them[/b] has been “taken out of context”.

Kinda feels a lil...

So it is OK for you to judge them? Just setting the parameters.

Why do you care?

Seems pretty normal for someone to adjust something to what they'd like it to be, not just christian people.