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How do you feel about men who claim to be trans in womens dressing rooms at the gym??

accidentprone · 22-25, M
A person with a penis does not belong in a girls changing or shower room.
There is this trans person at my local gym i see sometimes. Ive no problem with them using the changing rooms, they have always been super respectful. I don't see a problem with it.
ShaneMckay · 41-45, M
@SarahAndSamantha Yes, I think you did!
SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F
@ShaneMckay It was brought up "if they're being respectful, who cares?" You whatabouted it into someone being very disrespectful. Which IS a problem, yes, even I say that. That's the point. If someone goes into a bathroom, is respectful, goes into a stall, does their business, comes out, washes their hands and leaves, what does it matter?

You know, I've heard all these arguments before. Way back in the 80s. Being said about gay guys, in men's rooms. It was BS then about them and it's BS now against us.
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pdockal · 56-60, M
if you have cock you go into one bathroom
if you dont you go into the other
plain & simple
doesnt matter how you identify or how you feel
what about how everybody else feels ???????????
ShaneMckay · 41-45, M
@pdockal Absolutely right! It used to be called "COMMON SENSE, COMMON COURTESY"!!
On second thought: this question lacks nuance to answer accurately.

For starters: how do you define "men who claim to be trans"? That could be anything from people who were born and still feel like a man pretending to identify as a woman to get into a different dressing room, to actual transgender men who have completed a full transition, to even those who still have a female body.

It also speaks volumes that you only asked about one side of this. What about women who claim to be trans in men dressing rooms, with the same range of interpretations? The wording of your question does not give the impression you're interested in discussing the general implications of gender identity. Instead it comes across like you're searching for justification to oppose any level of male to female transitions. (And maybe the other way around too, though that's not as obvious.)
@NerdyPotato It reminds me a lot of Brexit... and the red tape Brexiteers bought on themselves - then you get ten minutes of comedy gold like this from this Brexiteer...

[media=https://youtu.be/oC1UoQ_bJH8]

I'm fortunate in that I don't have to think too much about which bathrooms I use at the moment, given that I've mostly been forced to live as a outwardly appearing woman... but, given the fact that they haven't managed to get my hirsutism under control as a woman and I'm growing even more hair as I age, I'm wondering if I should try laser hair removal (I don't believe the results others say they've had) or just embrace my masculinity.

"I am what I am" is gradually getting old as the change is becoming increasingly noticeable and soon to be ex and my own family are passing hurtful comments and trying to force me to comply with the gender I was assigned at birth... I don't want to be hearing comments on my beard/moustache or lack thereof whenever they see me. I mean, who walks up to a biological man and says to him "You need a shave" or "Ooh, you shaved recently"???

So, if I shave my face, do I use the ladies toilets... do I use the gents if I don't shave??? Do I use the ladies because of what I have between my legs... do I get beaten up if I do??? Do I take the key for the disabled toilets with me when I leave here - because I won't get one in my own right??? These are all questions that I need to find answers to sooner rather than later because I need to know what my plan is...
@HootyTheNightOwl [quote] I mean, who walks up to a biological man and says to him "You need a shave"[/quote]
My dad and my brother. 😅 My dad even went as far as giving me 3 electric razors within a year because I wasn't using the one(s) I already had often enough for his taste.
@NerdyPotato Hmm... Maybe they're part of my family, too???

I asked my mother a few years ago for some specific blades for my wet shaver (keep in mind that I need ID to buy them and they deny me ID) - so she got me an electric shaver... I don't use electric shavers on my face because I never mastered how to stop them from plucking my facial hair out by the root. Yes, it's only my face where they pluck - I shave everywhere else with no problems.

That said, though, I am thinking about using an electric shaver or hair removal cream on my legs going forward because of the reduced sensitivity in one of my legs... I like slicing that leg like donner meat.
Sexual intimidation is already illegal. If that's enforced sufficiently, I don't see a problem with anyone being anywhere as long as they behave appropriately.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
They should regulate themselves into the Men's room
Mattypp · 56-60, M
No man belongs in womans dressing room
SammyJo · 51-55, F
Very odd...I mean the question, not the individual...

You mean there's people who PRENTED to be a woman, dress like a woman, all to get into the changing rooms and PERV at the other girls there?

Oh, you give men too much credit! And too much planning!

Give me a break!!!

🤣🤣🤣

Trans people? Fine with me....

SJD xx
Musicman · 61-69, M
I am definitely against it.
SDavis · 56-60, F
First off any male can dress up and say they are a trans and have admittance to a female locker room just to oogle or more. A easy set up for rape.

If you got male sexually equipment you shouldn't be in a female locker room. Heck taking it a bit further one shouldn't be allowed to play and sport against females - males have more muscle fiber even those who don't have visible muscles.

Women in Scotland I believe it is are quitting the soccer team because the trans are physically stronger than they are and dominating.
curiouslady93 · 31-35, F
@NerdyPotato Abuse does happen in bathrooms, well put.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@NerdyPotato I've noticed the numbers you listed as if to say it's a rarity - but thank you for at least understanding that RAPE happens and restrooms and locker rooms.

But it happens more than the report - far too many abuses go unreported against women in those areas more so in parks.

And you are focused on rape - I mentioned two other things **hidden cameras and peeping under stalls.** Much of which also goes unreported.

I also said this is was the beginning with the trans using women facilities.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@NerdyPotato
And this occurs in the unisex restroom or locker room. And I did mention locker rooms in my initial reply and you seem to also omit those.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/
I don't care. Trans women are not a threat to women any more than cis women.
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SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F
@Patriot96 First things first. Intersex has nothing at all to do with a mental disorder, anymore than my red blood cells being shaped wrong due to my spherocytosis is.

Second of all, fine, let's say me being trans is a mental disorder. Then why are you so against me getting the best treatment for said mental disorder? That's what transitioning is. Whether it's simply socially transitioning or going the full 9 yards.

Sorry I ruined your easter
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@Patriot96 You seem triggered.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
A .45 traumatic castration will work
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Patriot96
I like the way you think
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@Patriot96 sick!!
accidentprone · 22-25, M
It is immoral and against the rule of law, or it used to be.
I admit, I’m not comfortable with it. Basically, if someone who has a penis is in [b]women’s[/b] spaces, it’s coed.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Mattypp that was a poor attempt at English. But I appreciate the effort, I grade it F+.
@bijouxbroussard Maybe your discomfort is not the priority. It is not the fault of trans people that the gender binary has been so brutally enforced through colonization.
@AmbivalentFriability I understand; my comfort level is a priority to [b]me[/b], and I’m only speaking for myself, based upon [b]my[/b] life experiences.

It may come to a point where everything becomes coed and there are no longer observed gender differences of any kind.

But it will take some getting used to.
jehova · 31-35, M
There are two sure fireways to know. 1 heatvision will indicate interior biological structures present that would or wouldnt be consistent with outward appearance. 2. Chromosonal test, that allegedly never changes. Xx female xy male (i have xxy so?) And 3. A test of ink date on a birth certificate to determine potential forgery. Those are the legal standards im familiar of. The ink on my birth certificte (only the male gender box) was forged in ink from 96, just about the time the original was requested by a school or sporting thing a legal verification (passport?). I dont exactly recall i was 7. I was born in 89. . . So yea i know.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
I do that so I can see all the old ladies and their huge vagines.
morrgin · F
I wouldn't care
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Thevy29 · 41-45, M
There is more to being trans then just saying you are. Women can tell if he/she's legit or not.
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CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
I don't go to gyms so I couldn't care less. If I did...maybe I still wouldn't care.
jehova · 31-35, M
Never heard of this one sounds potentially dangerous.
Auggie · M
I have not thought about it in a while.
Mattypp · 56-60, M
Thay should be arested
dale74 · M
They need help
ShadowDancer · 41-45, M
I don't like it
Hanginginthere · 31-35, M
Despicable human beings, that should never be allowed
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