The ICE officer who killed a Minnesota woman is a war veteran who spent over a decade working for DHS

@whowasthatmaskedman no. I am saying don’t prejudge him or others because of that - it is independent of the incident. Just as the right should not prejudge the victim, because was a lesbian, liberal, or whatever.

@trollslayer OK. As long as the whole thing gets properly investigated and judged..I have a view that collisions like this were bound to happen, with one side carrying guns and authority and the other side carrying the belief they are actually protected by nothing more than "freedom"..Freedom doesnt stop bullets, clearly..😷

@trollslayer The thing is, what you do in life, be they actions or words, always reflect back on others - family and friends. Everything has implications.

Shooting someone dead obviously has implications on the victim, and it has on the victim's family...and as it has on the perpetrator's family.

You lay down with dogs, you're going to get fleas.

So his family will be brought into this too. Not a troll, but his actions...those are the implications. He should have thought of that before firing.

@KarenDuponteDurose that’s a fact of life. Thanks for the comment.

@Diotrephes Maybe she was looking back to see if he was going to use the gun, because she was clearly driving away.

@Mamapolo2016 thank you for your input.

@MethDozer sadly, it seems that way.

@trollslayer I hear you and its unfortunate, but it's pretty obvious that anyone working for the Trump regime may be called on to do illegal and immoral things.

My guess is, at the end of the day, this guy will get axed, not for killing this woman, but for getting caught on tape doing it.

@MoveAlong Exactly!! Don’t stoop to their level!!!

@sunsporter1649 I'm certain those numbers are bogus but I won't even bother to look that up because what you described is literally the current administration.
Murderers, rapists, traffickers and thieves are ruling your country. And you are defending them.

@GermanAf well, 25,000,000 in 4 years is impossible. And assuming all are rapists and murderers (including the children) paints a grim view of humanity.

@GermanAf I think it’s a well established fact by this point in time that absolutely NO ONE in the entire Demented Donnie misadministration was ever properly and thoroughly vetted!

@dancingtongue That is actually the 3%ers or the Oath Keepers. The Proud Boys believe it or not was started by Gavin mcInnes former co founder of Vice News as a bunch of alt right hipsters from Canada. Wish I was kidding.

But you are right that there has been a far right problem in the military for decades.

@KunsanVeteran i felt the need because I know public servants (forest service, BLM, game wardens) who have been demonized and categorized by the actions of others or unsubstantiated conspiracies (usually from the right). Yes, I disagree with ICE’s tactics and mission, but I am not going to assume things about ICE agents based upon that.

@trollslayer I fully concur. The post you made filled in some gaps and confirmed some of my suppositions of what the most likely course of events were in this highly chaotic incident.

@ElwoodBlues i created this post in hopes of a constructive dialogue that deals with facts and not lies. Something about the woman having a son the same age as my son gave me great pause that we need to find what we agree on so this doesn’t happen again. I have tried to steer filks from both sides to stick to the facts. I have deleted several of Sunsporter’s duplicate posts for repeating the same lies over and over.

@ElwoodBlues Everyone knows whose side you are on

@sunsporter1649 is that the hammer gang from “the wall”?

@SunshineGirl I’m trying to reign myself in hoping for an impartial investigation. Sadly, that won’t happen.

@KunsanVeteran is he a symptom or a cause? Or a contibutor?

@trollslayer Are you asking about tRUMP or Ross?

tRUMP = prime mover/root cause

Ross = Insufficient data. That’s part of what a judge and/or jury should decide

@ChipmunkErnie To tell the Truth: Law Enforcement Officers make pretty crappy soldiers and vice versa. The two roles are very different with different training requirements and different core competencies.

The base near where I live has city police rotate with Active Duty for Gate duty (pretty much amounts to checking IDs) and a lot of city police are veterans. Domestic police work doesn’t bear a lot of similarities to deployed situations.

It gets complicated, complicated gets chaotic, and confusion & poor communication is not uncommon. Training together helps, but usually it only involves the simpler, safer tasks.

And we all know that the entire tRUMP misadministration knows nothing about vetting, training, or supervising anyone and the people at the Top are amongst the least qualified (e.g. Noem, Hegseth, Kennedy, Patel, etc.)

@ChipmunkErnie it doesn’t. I posted the article just to provide information so that others could make their own determinations rather than spreading rumors or conspiracies. I am not excusing him in any way. Frankly, I think I think the opposite. If he was some single proud boy that joined up last september, it would be more understandable. But veteran father with 10 years on the force i would expect better discipline, common sense, and care for human life

@trollslayer For what it is worth as someone who comes from a family of military and cops and having worked for a security company made up of ex military and cops I don't claim to be an expert but I do know enough to know what went down here was amateur hour based on the video evidence.

@trollslayer Remember that same military also counted Pete Hegseth and JD Vance among them, and the sadists who worked at Abu Graib and Gitmo.

A uniform unfortunately does not mean uniform discipline and competence.

And to me this feels like someone who got away with something before.

@trollslayer I am making no such claims. Not about Ross. Trump’s obvious dementia speaks for itself.

As part of my service, I ran the Wounded Warriors programs at three different medical groups totaling 8 years. This included the second and third largest USAF Medical Groups. I am well aware of the demons these veterans can be forced to live with day in and day out.

As is typical of tRUMP’s misadministration, I believe that it is more likely than not that Ross was not properly screened for this type of job in the environment Demented Donnie has turned our society into.

But Ross was not in a situation that justified the use of deadly force. In fact, in the chaos and conflict that ICE had precipitated, that should have been strongly pre-briefed to every agent on the scene. Want to bet whether or not that happened? In fact, in everything I have seen & read, I can’t even tell who was in charge of the scene. Who was the Incident Commander?

Now there’s certainly mitigating factors and I am certainly sympathetic to Ross, but tRUMP’s, Noem’s, and others share a great deal of responsibility for what happened.

As always: “You can delegate authority, but you CANNOT delegate responsibility”

@trollslayer
The murdering thug is getting a paid vacation out of it and a "badge" for being a member of the killers' club. Countless enablers will make sure that he gets off without any negative consequences. Expect lots more of such murders this year.

@sunsporter1649 how did she block a lawful operation? I see no evidence of that.

@sunsporter1649 let's assume she did ... there's no proof of that in any video.....but that's reason to shoot and kill her?

Answer the question Sport:
Why did Trump say the guy was run over, in the hospital, and lucky to be alive?

@sunsporter1649 who told you she was driving around town ?? Been told she just dropped her kid to school .

@sunsporter1649 you have evidence of this? She did this with her dog in the car?

@romell
She was just two blocks from her house. Imagine such an incident happening to your two blocks from your house.

@Diotrephes And America goes back to being the wild west...😷

@ShenaniganFoodie The problem being that a portion of the US population are fine with this.,..😷

@ShenaniganFoodie did trump himself design that swastika? :)

@trollslayer Maybe not but he does have a Pattern on it

@LegendofPeza in my opinion, yes

@dancingtongue can you imagine somebody putting themselves into a situation where they can be drug by a car for that distance. Why?

@Vin53 common sense says that walking front of a running vehicle of someone you are trying to question is a dumb idea, especially if the driver is distracted by something scary out her side window.

@dancingtongue

"And yes, we should wait for the results of an impartial investigation and review."

Don't hold your breath waiting on that to happen under Trump and his enablers.

@jackjjackson I read the article I posted and thought of a friend of mine - and how he might be unfairly labeled based upon an event like this.

Fair @trollslayer