You know who isn't getting paid right now? ICE

And many of them are on government travel using government travel credit cards that will likely max out and go delinquent unpaid in less than a month.

Who would love to see them walking off the job homeless and stranded in cities they've been temporarily assigned to, as they hitchhike home. When all this happens, Trump isn't gonna give a dam about them.

BrandNewMan · M

Trump didnt shut the government down. It was about 12 Dems that chose not to vote to extend a budget package by trying to blackmail the govt into spending hundreds of millions of extra dollars on trans gender agenda and healthcare outside our current budget for illegals. Three Dems voted in support for the bill. The rest put Partisan politics ahead of the good of their own constituents.

Also ICE is considered essential for security reasons. They will see less than 10% of employees furloughed.

https://www.foxla.com/news/ice-immigration-operations-during-government-shutdown

https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/10/will-ice-agents-continue-working-during-the-government-shutdown.html

Facts matter.

MistyCee

Interesting thought, but Trump does reward loyalty someimes, with pardons, or with others people's money, e.g., the Ashley Babbit settlement on the tax player's dime.

It's still an inconvenience and a cash flow problem, but there's no shortage of businesses and individuals for him to file frivolous lawsuits against and then "settle" to pay off his loyalist thugs with extorted funds.

Granted, like most of Trump's schemes, most people will end up getting screwed over, but that's true of his entire Presidency as well.

MistyCee

@BrandNewMan

First, let me note that I "lost it" with Trump long before now, at least as far back as his first Republican debate, if not even further back when as a private citizen he was taking it ads, defrauding people and using bankruptcy, frivolous litigation and other Roy Cohen type stuff.

Second, as to your point that it could be worse, i.e., that Trump has been somewhat restrained, I'll confess that earlier today I almost posted something similar.

I'm not surprised he's "dishing it back," even though I'm appalled and horrified about how he's doing it and at what the costs and consequences might be.

The thing is Trump isn't really a true modern day Hitler, imo, any more then he's a true conservative.

IMHO, Conway (a lifetime Republican until Trump like so many) nailed Trump as a Malignant Narcissist with sociopathic tendencies. Of course, that really just categorizes the biggest problem I have with Trump.

He doesnt care about anyone or anything but himself. He speaks, mostly from his gut or the reptilian part of his brain, solely with regard to how what he says will benefit him.

There's no concerns about dishonesty, long term or even short term consequences for others, no respect for institutions, ideologies, norms, etc.

Remember his embrace of the LBGT community? That's the same kind of BS as tearing down Obamacare without any thought or intention of replacing it with something "better."

I get how speaking from his lower digestive tract is appealing, and I get the appeal of throwing a huge monkey wrench into the system and draining a nasty swamp feels good.

But he's got no intention, much less the expertise or capability to turn it into something better. He's just interested in profiting from draining it, making room for his cronies and those who will do him favors and give him money.

There's reasons people "hate" Trump and why legitimate banks and investors stopped doing business with him, why the NFL wouldn't touch him, and why he could never go public with anything and report to a Board of Directors.

I know, he says he's a conservative now, and that anyone who opposes him is a RINO, communist, leftist radical, etc, but he's not running his con on the "other." They don't buy it. His suckers are those who think they'll get "a piece of his action" because he says they're "special people" and only he can save them.