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Are u for or against illegal immigration 🔐

Of course many of you are aware of the deportations going on here in the US right now.
I think most of us are against anything illegal.
But here's the problem. President Trump seems so eager to get certain demographics of people out of the US for his own personal reasons or agenda. But what about the people he pardoned
from January [b]6.[/b] Do you see the hypocrisy here. We are talking about a federal crime here . You cannot expect people to follow the law when you are breaking them yourself. What is your opinion on this mess. Answers please. 🙄

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Illegal immigration is only a problem because of government policy. Not Trump. This is longstanding through many administrations. There has long been a tacit link between undocumented immigration and the cheap labor market, which has supplied seasonal and cheap labor and kept costs down, even providing a buffer to put downward pressure on legal wages..For this reason the relatively simple steps that could be employed to stop the undocumented hiring practices were never put in place. Just lip service paid. Now suddenly Trump has made these people who provided a needed service the enemy..Just to get the attention of the ignorant masses. And its going to rebound in the form of shortages and price increases for everyone.😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@calicuz A complex, developed economy like Americas is a highwire juggling act performed in a thinderstorm at the best of times. And these are not the best of times.. Trumps ham fisted bully boy act has failed on the world stage so badly that a global recession is now almost inevitable. He just spent a month and made several concessions to get China to agree to what they already agreed to. Just so he gets the same headline twice.😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@calicuz I got your point. But watching such a terrible outcome for everyone concerned is depressing.. No one wins out of this..But it all started with union busting cheap labour..😷
Zonuss · 46-50, M
@whowasthatmaskedman We are not blaming Trump for illegal immigration itself. We are blaming him for the process and the propaganda behind it. ☺
KingofBones1 · 46-50, M
I am against illegal immigration I do not think these people should be rewarded for breaking the law nor do I think that they should be eligible for any kind of benefits in this country. Legal immigration however much different story if you come here wanting to adopt our customs assimilate into our nation and serve this country then I am 100% behind you
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Following his pardoning of the January 6 rioters, Trump cannot make any pronouncement on the rule of law without being guilty of clear hypocrisy.

For most of us, following laws is a given and a public virtue in itself. However, when authoritarian or anti-democratic methods are used to enforce those laws, or the economic and social damage outweigh the public utility of a particular piece of legislation, then it is moral to consider breaking them.

And of course the freedom for individuals to disagree and protest goes without saying in a just society.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@sunsporter1649 Any point you are trying to make is entirely lost on me . . would you care to explain what your photo shows and how it relates to my post?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Small point of order. Hypocracy has never bothered Trump in the past. I doubt he even noticed it.. Certainly his MAGAts never did..😷
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Happy to hear you support the Jan. 6 rioters in DC
faery · 31-35, F
I'm for immigration reform, which no president on either side of the aisle has ever advocated.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@faery

Define "reform," and let's discuss.

I agree with the Founders that rights are God given, so anyone who enters the US is covered under those rights as stated in The US Constitution, including due process and a fair and speedy trial.
faery · 31-35, F
@calicuz I agree with the Founders as well. We need reform to protect migrant workers with no criminal record here or from where they came. Our economy depends on them and they depend on us.
Also notable is 5 of the Jan 6th rioters are now suing the federal government for 100 million dollars. So not only was it ok for them to break the law but they may also get rich on taxpayer money from it.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
What Trump is doing is not even approved by Congress. So what he is doing with executive orders IS ILLEGAL!

It just happens he appointed court members that refused to acknowledge the illegality of such executive orders.

We are going on six months now on these insane executive orders without congressional approval!

He has done nothing but demands from the dictator that he is.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@rocknroll Newsom has no such immunity. Why he has made this a Court case!

And it's being put on hold because of Trump's judicial appointment.
@DeWayfarer trump foes
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@rocknroll Trump's appointees put a hold on Newsom law sue! Until next week. That works for Trump just perfectly. He will have deported all the innocent immigrants!
MethDozer · M
How can I be mad at someone for answering a help wanted sign that nobody here wanted and puts food in our plates and roofs over our heads?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
MethDozer · M
Zonuss · 46-50, M
@MethDozer You can't. But the law is the law. And who's to say that some Americans will not take these jobs in this economy.
calicuz · 56-60, M
Exactly, but this what to expect when a convicted criminal is voted into office........... unlawfulness.
Zonuss · 46-50, M
@calicuz Agreed. Its going to be interesting to see what these so called Right Wingers say about this. ☺
Punxi · F
Very very very few of " us"...are natives. 🤷
Zonuss · 46-50, M
@Punxi And your point is.....
Obviously against if its illegality
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Zonuss · 46-50, M
@JonUK41 No. Because that's discrimination. If Obama only allowed Black people to come to the US only...you wouldn't like that very much. Don't try and sell me a lie because Im not buying it from you.
iamthe99 · M
@JonUK41 No. That's discrimination. It seems, worryingly, as though you wouldn't mind too much if he did.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@JonUK41 No, discrimination on the basis of colour is immoral. It is also illegal under US law, to return to the subject of the original post . .
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Zonuss · 46-50, M
@HobNoblin Cheap labor brings in money.
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Demographics like child traffickers, drug runners, and murderers?
Zonuss · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 I think Faery just answered your question. ☺
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@faery We will begin with this one.

faery · 31-35, F
@sunsporter1649 Didn't know you were an addict, lol
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