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Pambie · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 Davy Crockett? 

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
uikakarotuevegeta · 26-30
Except that defamation in North America at least is a civil matter, so it's not something the government can punish you for (unlike throughout Europe and Asia). And also threats to lawless action aren't protected by free speech for obvious reasons. Let's not forget that many countries claiming to have free speech legally only have freedom of expression, which isn't as well protected and separate from freedom of speech. Also your airplane example is terrible because that happens on private property, which means that such entities aren't legally required to care about free speech. It'd be different if the airline was funded by taxpayers and/or affiliated with the government though.
Pambie · 22-25, F
@uikakarotuevegeta
Free speech isn't free in an absolute sense, and many on the right just do not understand this.
And also threats to lawless action aren't protected by free speech for obvious reasons.
We agree on this, but my point is that those who like to cry the most about this issue also tend to be those who also like to ruin the reputations of those they simply disagree with. Ex. "Mr. Left-Politician was seen on Mr. Epstein's Island". I'm talking about the vicious rumour-mongers, those who believe there should be no restrictions whatsoever (ex. Mr. Musk, and why he took over Twitter), and who don't seem to care about the damage they cause when they open their mouths.Free speech isn't free in an absolute sense, and many on the right just do not understand this.
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Pambie "But, like, it's Ted Cruz. I mean, this dude has to be knocked over the head, like hard, right? Like there is no niceties with him. Like at all. Like you go clean off on him." Ccrockett said.
Baremine · 70-79, C
I certainly have seen more restrictions on free speech coming from the leftist liberals than the conservative side. The Biden administration was one of the worst at restricting free speech. In fact the socialist Biden restricted freedom of religion as well.
Pambie · 22-25, F
@uikakarotuevegeta Yes, defamation isn't a criminal offense, and I never said it was, but how is any of this relevant to the point I made about self-proclaimed conservatives believing they can say anything they like without having to deal with the consequences?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Pambie "I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price," Schumer, who was then minority leader, said at the time. "You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."
Pambie · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 What are you going on about?
dale74 · M
Clearly you are not from the United States yes there are laws against libel and slander but they do not affect a person in the public image so in other words politicians fair game. What about every time a Nazi technically that is slander but most conservatives are grown up enough to just say all the persons just stupid. Yes we have free speech in America and it's a lot freer than Europe and Australia. We can't be put in jail for making memes unless they're about Hillary Clinton. I don't think that goes out of jail yet. So worry about Australia don't worry about the United States.
Pambie · 22-25, F
@dale74 It was a false accusation, in more ways than one. If you can't understand why this is wrong, then I can't help you, because you clearly lack empathy, common sense and decency. And you don't know the difference between right and wrong (hint: spreading lies about someone is wrong).
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Your quotes are really the key. Many who call themselves Conservatives are essentially Limbaugh style dittoheads with little or no education who appreciate the hostility and contempt for others much more than they actually want to conserve anything.
1776 isn't far enough back from them to regress. They really seem to want to go past Jesus' Golden Rule to a time when might makes right and anyone who spoke up against the King could get his head chopped off in a public spectacle for the mob to enjoy.
1776 isn't far enough back from them to regress. They really seem to want to go past Jesus' Golden Rule to a time when might makes right and anyone who spoke up against the King could get his head chopped off in a public spectacle for the mob to enjoy.
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
And we don't want to stifle anything. We certainly don't want to stifle free speech, but that's no longer free speech. See, I don't think that the mainstream media is free speech either because it's so crooked. It's so dishonest. So to me, free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write bad. To me, that's a very dangerous speech, and you become angry at it. But that's not free speech.
- President Donald J. Trump, Social Media Summit 2020, 11th of july 2020
- President Donald J. Trump, Social Media Summit 2020, 11th of july 2020
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@JimboSaturn It's simple... when you express criticism to something he perceives as a good thing... that's not okay, and not free speech. Therefore, it should be illegale (not protected under the free speech clause).
It's comparible to Idi Amin Dada, who once said: "I can guarantee freedom of speech, but I can't guarantee freedom after speech.".
It's comparible to Idi Amin Dada, who once said: "I can guarantee freedom of speech, but I can't guarantee freedom after speech.".
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@Kwek00 So you have the freedome to agree with him on all matters. I can't believe people still think th media is crooked and the troll is not; what an upsidedown world.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@JimboSaturn These people are living in distorted reality... but that's what you get when you fall into the populist trap. If you believe in the populist worldview, where one highly moral homogenous group is being punished/boycotted/victimised by a highly immoral homogenous group. You, as a member of the first group, can do no wrong. No need for selfreflection or thinking, all your actions are "moral". While the other group can do no right and are only there to pester you... the logical outcome of the narrative, is that the latter group needs to go.
Ynotisay · M
"Freedom" means different things to different people.
But it's safe to say that those who yell the loudest about "Freedom!" are the first to want to take it away from others.
So yeah.They love freedom. As long as it's the right kind of freedom.
But it's safe to say that those who yell the loudest about "Freedom!" are the first to want to take it away from others.
So yeah.They love freedom. As long as it's the right kind of freedom.
dale74 · M
And we do understand that Australia got rid of free speech a few years back when they did the gun buy back confiscation. And unfortunately you will never get free speech back.
Pambie · 22-25, F
@dale74 I really have to address this properly.
You may have your "Second Amendment" over there in your country, but this doesn't apply anywhere else. No one else believes in this nonsense.
Secondly, the vast and overwhelming majority of Australians prior to the gun buy-back didn't have a gun. We just don't feel the need to own one. We're not so insecure, so afraid of our own shadows, like you people are.
I feel perfectly safe at home, and perfectly safe walking alone late at night. I'm not afraid of muggers. Hell, even our local police station is often closed, because the bored cops have nothing to do.
Australia got rid of what we would consider our second amendment which is the right to bear arms.
First of all, only Yanks believe there is a "right" to have access to weapons that no one actually needs, unless it's a requirement for the job they do (ex. soldier, security guard, policeman, farmer).You may have your "Second Amendment" over there in your country, but this doesn't apply anywhere else. No one else believes in this nonsense.
Secondly, the vast and overwhelming majority of Australians prior to the gun buy-back didn't have a gun. We just don't feel the need to own one. We're not so insecure, so afraid of our own shadows, like you people are.
I feel perfectly safe at home, and perfectly safe walking alone late at night. I'm not afraid of muggers. Hell, even our local police station is often closed, because the bored cops have nothing to do.
Dshhh · M
for them? it is only Free Speech for people just like them
we live in scary times
we live in scary times
Dshhh · M
@sunsporter1649 funny it was the left that liked his cars
must has no business in our govt. SO many conglicts
must has no business in our govt. SO many conglicts
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Dshhh Like rescuing Astronauts abandoned in space by biden?
Dshhh · M
@sunsporter1649 that was due to a faulty capsule,
last I saw he had nothing to do with it
space is hard
last I saw he had nothing to do with it
space is hard
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gol979 · 41-45, M
At least you are honest in your support of limited speech (whilst mis-representing free speech)
SomeMichGuy · M
They are worse than that against which they rail.
They want everything to always be in their favor and against those who oppose them.
They want everything to always be in their favor and against those who oppose them.

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A few years after college those professor's influence will ruboff on you
Pambie · 22-25, F
@SW-User I was always arguing with those "college professors", because they kept getting things wrong, so no, that won't happen, because I never came under their influence in the first place. Unlike you, I can actually think for myself, and don't just swallow ideological cliches.

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@Pambie cute
Pambie · 22-25, F
@SW-User I am? Thanks! 

ViciDraco · 41-45, M
They are generally for free speech when they have something to say and then suddenly against it when their political opponents have something to say. Quite remarkable how that works.
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BohemianBabe · M
"Conservatives" clearly have no clue when it comes to the issue of free speech.
They do. They oppose free speech.
dale74 · M
Like when they accuse Joe Biden of using US influence to enrich his family? And protect Hunter from prison for blackmail and bribery?
BohemianBabe · M
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
pft.
hurty werds from the conservatives = no free speech.
meanwhile.. in liberal fantasy land, of internet censorship and persecution of old ladies preying outside of abortion clinics and such.
MAGA face palm
hurty werds from the conservatives = no free speech.
meanwhile.. in liberal fantasy land, of internet censorship and persecution of old ladies preying outside of abortion clinics and such.
MAGA face palm
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Pambie · 22-25, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Nope, only two genders, and I've never believed otherwise. Now how about actually addressing the issues I raised, rather than trying to change the subject onto something that is completely unrelated and about which I do not care.
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