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"Conservatives" clearly have no clue when it comes to the issue of free speech.

Free speech doesn't mean you can slander or defame anyone you don't like, and expect there to be no consequences. People you baselessly accuse of crimes, for example, will fight back, and it should be pointed out that there are defamation and libel laws, and they exist for a reason.
Free speech has never been without legal restraints. You can't scream there's a bomb on board a crowded aeroplane just for laughs; you will be arrested upon touchdown.
To all those whiny "conservatives" out there who like to grumble about restrictions being placed upon free speech, I simply say keep on crying, because I fully support such restrictions, and the next time you have the audacity, the sheer gall, to accuse someone you don't like of (for example) being in support of child abuse, consider yourself to be lucky if all you receive in return is a punch to the face.
Pambie
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uikakarotuevegeta · 26-30
Except that defamation in North America at least is a civil matter, so it's not something the government can punish you for (unlike throughout Europe and Asia). And also threats to lawless action aren't protected by free speech for obvious reasons. Let's not forget that many countries claiming to have free speech legally only have freedom of expression, which isn't as well protected and separate from freedom of speech. Also your airplane example is terrible because that happens on private property, which means that such entities aren't legally required to care about free speech. It'd be different if the airline was funded by taxpayers and/or affiliated with the government though.
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@uikakarotuevegeta
And also threats to lawless action aren't protected by free speech for obvious reasons.
We agree on this, but my point is that those who like to cry the most about this issue also tend to be those who also like to ruin the reputations of those they simply disagree with. Ex. "Mr. Left-Politician was seen on Mr. Epstein's Island". I'm talking about the vicious rumour-mongers, those who believe there should be no restrictions whatsoever (ex. Mr. Musk, and why he took over Twitter), and who don't seem to care about the damage they cause when they open their mouths.
Free speech isn't free in an absolute sense, and many on the right just do not understand this.
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dale74 · M
Clearly you are not from the United States yes there are laws against libel and slander but they do not affect a person in the public image so in other words politicians fair game. What about every time a Nazi technically that is slander but most conservatives are grown up enough to just say all the persons just stupid. Yes we have free speech in America and it's a lot freer than Europe and Australia. We can't be put in jail for making memes unless they're about Hillary Clinton. I don't think that goes out of jail yet. So worry about Australia don't worry about the United States.
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@dale74 I couldn't care less about the United States, but that's not what my post is about. I was simply pointing out the fact that self-proclaimed conservatives clearly have no idea what the concept of free speech entails. They seem to think it means saying anything at all that comes into their empty skulls, and not expecting a backlash when they try to ruin someone's reputation.
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TexChik · F
@Pambie One would think you socialists might have sense enough to try to understand a situation and keep your mouth shut until you do, instead of using it to remove all doubt that you lack intelligence. But please, you do you.
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dale74 · M
@Pambie be nice if you actually gave examples of Republican saying stuff that ruins people's reputations
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Baremine · 70-79, C
I certainly have seen more restrictions on free speech coming from the leftist liberals than the conservative side. The Biden administration was one of the worst at restricting free speech. In fact the socialist Biden restricted freedom of religion as well.
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@uikakarotuevegeta Yes, defamation isn't a criminal offense, and I never said it was, but how is any of this relevant to the point I made about self-proclaimed conservatives believing they can say anything they like without having to deal with the consequences?
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Pambie "I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price," Schumer, who was then minority leader, said at the time. "You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 What are you going on about?
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
And we don't want to stifle anything. We certainly don't want to stifle free speech, but that's no longer free speech. See, I don't think that the mainstream media is free speech either because it's so crooked. It's so dishonest. So to me, free speech is not when you see something good and then you purposely write bad. To me, that's a very dangerous speech, and you become angry at it. But that's not free speech.

- President Donald J. Trump, Social Media Summit 2020, 11th of july 2020
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@Kwek00 Okay. What's your opinion on this?
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MistyCee
Your quotes are really the key. Many who call themselves Conservatives are essentially Limbaugh style dittoheads with little or no education who appreciate the hostility and contempt for others much more than they actually want to conserve anything.

1776 isn't far enough back from them to regress. They really seem to want to go past Jesus' Golden Rule to a time when might makes right and anyone who spoke up against the King could get his head chopped off in a public spectacle for the mob to enjoy.
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Ynotisay · M
"Freedom" means different things to different people.
But it's safe to say that those who yell the loudest about "Freedom!" are the first to want to take it away from others.
So yeah.They love freedom. As long as it's the right kind of freedom.
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dale74 · M
And we do understand that Australia got rid of free speech a few years back when they did the gun buy back confiscation. And unfortunately you will never get free speech back.
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dale74 · M
@Pambie here's a good simple answer for you did you get the covid 19 shot? And if so why?
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@dale74 No, I didn't get the Covid19 shot. Why do you ask?
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@dale74 I really have to address this properly.
Australia got rid of what we would consider our second amendment which is the right to bear arms.
First of all, only Yanks believe there is a "right" to have access to weapons that no one actually needs, unless it's a requirement for the job they do (ex. soldier, security guard, policeman, farmer).
You may have your "Second Amendment" over there in your country, but this doesn't apply anywhere else. No one else believes in this nonsense.
Secondly, the vast and overwhelming majority of Australians prior to the gun buy-back didn't have a gun. We just don't feel the need to own one. We're not so insecure, so afraid of our own shadows, like you people are.
I feel perfectly safe at home, and perfectly safe walking alone late at night. I'm not afraid of muggers. Hell, even our local police station is often closed, because the bored cops have nothing to do.
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Toofargone · 26-30, F
A few years after college those professor's influence will ruboff on you
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Pambie · 22-25, F
@Toofargone I was always arguing with those "college professors", because they kept getting things wrong, so no, that won't happen, because I never came under their influence in the first place. Unlike you, I can actually think for myself, and don't just swallow ideological cliches.
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Toofargone · 26-30, F
@Pambie cute
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BohemianBabe · M
"Conservatives" clearly have no clue when it comes to the issue of free speech.

They do. They oppose free speech.
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SomeMichGuy · M
They are worse than that against which they rail.

They want everything to always be in their favor and against those who oppose them.
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
pft.

hurty werds from the conservatives = no free speech.

meanwhile.. in liberal fantasy land, of internet censorship and persecution of old ladies preying outside of abortion clinics and such.


MAGA face palm
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
https://similarworlds.com/politics/3756743-Mass-internet-outrage-as-Emperor-Palpatine-loses-his-Twitter
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