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What happened to politics?

Disagreement is from all times, but it used to be about things like:
- Should we subsidize housing or offer job coaching to get homeless people back on their feet?
- Should we try diplomacy or supply weapons to the resistance to stop the killing of innocent people?

Somehow that changed into: should we do anything for the homeless and save innocent people or not?

How did we go from discussing the best approach of protecting human rights to discussing ethics and morals? 🤔
And what do voters think to gain from giving up on human rights?

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NerdyPotato
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BohoBabe · M
This is what Liberals don't understand. It's not that Conservatives have different views on how to solve problems. It's that they disagree on what the problems are. Conservatism is built on reinforcing hierarchy. Liberals and Leftists disagree on how to end poverty. Conservatives want more poverty.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I feel like this is the same exact territory we get into when we discuss the problems caused in America by white supremacists. Liberals and leftists are used to just contracting it to "white", which causes conservatives and rightists to assume that we hate all white people. They then take it personally and call us racists for pointing out all the things certain types of white people have done.

Or when I point out systemic racism in America, and certain white people think there's no racism against black people because they don't see it, because it's so subtle.

But I'm sure there's nobody like that in this conversation.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire Yeah, that is definitely the thing that when ever you talk about institutional racism or 'whiteness' the reaction is 'accusing everyone of racism,'. As in, personally saying that they are racist.

None of these people would be deliberately or crudely racist in everyday life. They would want equal opportunities for all. If someone broke down by the side of the road, they would help them.

However, there is so much in the way of tacit assumptions people have that are based on race and do have political impact.

I did kind of get that but I didn't get it as much as I do now and it's because of Israel Palestine.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Burnley123 Well, if nothing else, this tragedy serves to illustrate and educate. Still wish it hadn't happened, though.
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HootyTheNightOwl
We need to leave the European Convention of Human Rights in order to stop the EU from telling us that we can't send immigrants to Rwanda.

Yeah, we need to give up all of this just to send a couple of hundred people to Rwanda and lose them. I don't want to be the one to point out that Human Rights laws had nothing to do with the fact that our courts overruled on sending immigrants to Rwanda based on laws other than these ones, though - so I'll just invite people to read the laws and see for themselves what they are giving up on if we were to leave the convention of human rights...

Article 2: the right to life
Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
Article 5: the right to liberty and security
Article 6: the right to a fair trial
Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties
Article 8: the right to private and family life
Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Article 10: the freedom of expression
Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: the right to marry
Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights
Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights
The UK has also ratified Protocol No. 13 to the Convention on the abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances, as well Protocol No. 1, which contains three additional rights:

Article 1 of Protocol No.1: the right to free enjoyment of property
Article 2 of Protocol No.1: the right to education
Article 3 of Protocol No.1: the right to free and fair elections
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@HootyTheNightOwl Facts can be nasty but America has the best propaganda in the world.
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HootyTheNightOwl
@Diotrephes Sure and no Presidents under retirement age these days. Come on, what sort of choice was Clinton - Trump, Biden - Trump and now Trump - Biden??? Pick your psychopath for president by the looks of it.

You all mocked BJ, but he was a walk in the park in comparison.

Sunak might be ageist and out of touch with reality - but at least he doesn't have dementia.
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NerdyPotato ·
@Diotrephes the USA is great at propaganda indeed. That's not something to be proud of, but certainly a fact.
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MistyCee
Consider yourself lucky.

In the US, we're not even discussing ethics and morals. More often than not, we're just talking about us vs them, and whether a government should be able to balance individual rights against the general welfare.
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TrashCat · M
What has changed politics is social media and a public voice to everyone, good or bad.

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."
How is this not accurate?
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Those in charge of trying to set the agenda are failing.
And they're failing because even the most ardent 'right-winger' or 'Leftist' isn't wanting to engage with real problems.
Just the stuff that presents and ideal of 'us' and 'them'.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Some people don't know how to do politics right. It should be about listening to multiple points of view and compromising, just as in everyday life. Some politicians are so self-centred and entitled that they are incapable of empathising and communicating constructively. Others bring a religious-like dogmatic certainty, which again excludes the possibility of compromise and understanding.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@SunshineGirl The problem is, most of the folks on one side have begun refusing to listen to the other side because they choose to listen to lies about the other side. And those lies are coming from rich people with an agenda. Sadly, the people who believe the lies think that the rich people with an agenda are on the side of poor people.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
She would make more sense if she was better looking .
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@NerdyPotato speech isn’t behavior . And you are definitely from Belgium
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NerdyPotato ·
@AthrillatheHunt if you don't think you are, self reflect! And block!
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@AthrillatheHunt Why do I care if you're sexist? Well, because I assume that sexism seeps over into your everyday life outside of here. I assume you treat women badly because of their looks.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
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Captainjackass · 31-35, M
It’s because of foreign governments manipulating us like puppets. They know they can’t beat us in a war so their making us so corrupt and uncaring that we destroy ourselves. We’re now so divided we can’t even think about how the best help people but instead are focused on how to stop the other side.
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NerdyPotato ·
@Captainjackass that's a pretty good explanation, as sad as it is.
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
The only thing that helps homelessness is affordable housing. The best way to get affordable housing is where there is deep disagreement. The market is being prevented from doing its thing, and liberal policies, city bureaucracy, NIMBIism, corporatism, and monied interests are to all to blame.

Conservatives are largely indifferent to poverty unless it affects them.

Many people in poverty are also Trumpists, so go figure.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@Fukfacewillie Well, this is a historic moment. We've argued our way to an agreement.
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Fukfacewillie
The only thing that helps homelessness is affordable housing. The best way to get affordable housing is where there is deep disagreement. The market is being prevented from doing its thing, and liberal policies, city bureaucracy, NIMBIism, corporatism, and monied interests are to all to blame.

Conservatives are largely indifferent to poverty unless it affects them.

Many people in poverty are also Trumpists, so go figure.
Land prices affect house prices, The larger cities are all developed so there are no vacant lots to construct new housing on. The history of project housing is not good. There are no easy answers to the problem.
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KunsanVeteran · M
A: Donald. J. Trump. The absolute worst POTUS of all time.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@KunsanVeteran @trollslayer I'm not saying he was a bad president, but honestly, all the name calling really started with Bill Clinton. That's when they started allowing that sort of thing in debates.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@LordShadowfire Many say it began with Lee Atwater. Then God struck him down.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@trollslayer Well, I don't know about that, but I do remember they changed the rules for presidential debates when Bill was running. Before that, candidates weren't allowed to interrupt each other and they were expected to maintain a certain level of decorum.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
The right keeps pushing further to the right, and folks like me who used to be considered moderate liberal suddenly find ourselves in the position of being on the extreme left, because they moved the center.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@NerdyPotato I think wise politicians know where the centre lies. When the opportunity arises to shift public discourse, equilibrium is restored. That process will start in the UK on 4 July.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@SunshineGirl Well, at the very least, here in the United States, the center has been redefined. I don't say that definition is accurate, but the problem is that everybody has agreed to a new definition.

I was never fully centrist by even the older definition because even then, the right were trying to make liberals and the left sound like extremists. And now, even though my position hasn't really changed, I'm considered a left-wing extremist.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@LordShadowfire So am I, apparently, when I listen to people here. Hilarious for someone trained in liberal economic theory who has spent most of her career working for private investment funds! 🤣
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