What happened to politics?

Disagreement is from all times, but it used to be about things like:
- Should we subsidize housing or offer job coaching to get homeless people back on their feet?
- Should we try diplomacy or supply weapons to the resistance to stop the killing of innocent people?

Somehow that changed into: should we do anything for the homeless and save innocent people or not?

How did we go from discussing the best approach of protecting human rights to discussing ethics and morals? 🤔
And what do voters think to gain from giving up on human rights?

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HootyTheNightOwl

We need to leave the European Convention of Human Rights in order to stop the EU from telling us that we can't send immigrants to Rwanda.

Yeah, we need to give up all of this just to send a couple of hundred people to Rwanda and lose them. I don't want to be the one to point out that Human Rights laws had nothing to do with the fact that our courts overruled on sending immigrants to Rwanda based on laws other than these ones, though - so I'll just invite people to read the laws and see for themselves what they are giving up on if we were to leave the convention of human rights...

Article 2: the right to life
Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
Article 5: the right to liberty and security
Article 6: the right to a fair trial
Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties
Article 8: the right to private and family life
Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Article 10: the freedom of expression
Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: the right to marry
Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights
Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights
The UK has also ratified Protocol No. 13 to the Convention on the abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances, as well Protocol No. 1, which contains three additional rights:

Article 1 of Protocol No.1: the right to free enjoyment of property
Article 2 of Protocol No.1: the right to education
Article 3 of Protocol No.1: the right to free and fair elections

NerdyPotato ·

@HootyTheNightOwl what could possibly go wrong? 🙄

HootyTheNightOwl

@NerdyPotato For the Tory party??? Nothing at all... They'll be able to do as they please after we leave the convention...

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@HootyTheNightOwl Yeah, this really underlines the OP's point. It's about taking rights away from others because you feel that you get some advantage from that

HootyTheNightOwl

@Burnley123 I wonder how many voters actually realise exactly what it is they're giving up on when it comes to potentially giving up the convention on human rights, though???

Not many do as far as I've seen...

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@HootyTheNightOwl The US has never signed that although Eleanor Roosevelt was the driving force behind it. The idea of specifically giving Blacks those rights was simply too much for the Jim Crow gang.

HootyTheNightOwl

@Diotrephes Yeah... and look where that got America. You have what, three bank holidays a year, and crawl into work half dead rather than taking a day off to avoid the whole place catching your germs.

Oh yeah, and you're more worried about the government taking away your guns than you are about people escaping domestic abuse having the right to become invisible so that they can't be found by the abuser(s) that they ran away from.

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@HootyTheNightOwl Facts can be nasty but America has the best propaganda in the world.

HootyTheNightOwl

@Diotrephes Sure and no Presidents under retirement age these days. Come on, what sort of choice was Clinton - Trump, Biden - Trump and now Trump - Biden??? Pick your psychopath for president by the looks of it.

You all mocked BJ, but he was a walk in the park in comparison.

Sunak might be ageist and out of touch with reality - but at least he doesn't have dementia.

NerdyPotato ·

@Diotrephes the USA is great at propaganda indeed. That's not something to be proud of, but certainly a fact.