Elite universities are caught in a trap of their own making, one that has been a long time coming. They’ve trained pro-Palestinian students to believe that, on the oppressor-oppressed axis, Jews are white and therefore dominant, not “marginalized,” while Israel is a settler-colonialist state and therefore illegitimate. They’ve trained pro-Israel students to believe that unwelcome and even offensive speech makes them so unsafe that they should stay away from campus.
@Human1000 is both hilarious and very sad. I'm kinda glad the training is so effective, but showing that can also turn into an argument to not do anything about the threat that made the training necessary.
What they're protesting against is injustice. They're protesting against the US government's support of Israeli war crimes in Gaza. Biden just delivered a whooping $31 billion to Israel, meanwhile the dead toll of innocent Palestinians is 42,000 and is rising hundreds by the day.
Somethings are worth fighting for. Their voices will not be silenced.
@AwakeningConfession221122 You know, if Israel was going full force Gaza would have been leveled and every terror supporter there dead on October 8. The facts are, the IDF has a better record of protecting civilians than the USA does, which has a better record than any non-NATO country.
Are you still angry at Turkey for their attacks on Kurds, or Syria for their attacks on civilians, or Yemen, or Iran, or Sudan?
Yes we have Rights. But to a point. Publicly stating that you want to exterminate Israelis from the River to the Sea is Racist towards Jews within the USA, many of whom have family that reside in Israel. Then chanting Death to America within the borders of the USA is trampling on the Freedoms WE ALL ENJOY.
@trollslayer University of Southern California was put on lockdown because of them. Their Commencement was also cancelled. So if they were not violent, then USC would not have been under lockdown.
@dakotaviper [quote]the INTIFADA has been around for quite some time now. They even danced in celebration on and after 9.11.2001. Do some research.[/quote]
The INTIFADA is not an acronym. It's an attempt to pronounce an Arabic word "Intifada". It means Uprising.
It started out as peaceful resistance, in 1988, borrowing form the American Revolution, specifically "no taxation with out representation. Israel attempted to quell it, by assassinating Palestinian secular leadership. As any third grader can tell you, that led to a tit-for-tat militarization.
[quote]The INTIFADA has been around since Yasser Arafat was in charge of the PLO. As some would lead you to believe otherwise, they're not a recent organization. They're actually part of Hezbollah.[/quote]
Hezbollah is a Lebanon based militant group, started and supported by Iran. It was birthed by Israel's 1982 occupation of Lebanon. Saying that the INTIFADA is "actually" part of Hezballah, is akin to saying "the Tea Party is part of the KKK".
Finally, the claim that the INTIFADA danced in the streets in celebration of 9/11 is a claim Trump made, that no one seems to prove.
@Mordechai They are extortionists and cosplay revolutionaries. It’s sad to see Universities kowtow to them, but not surprising given how much power they give children.
Mike Johnson's expectations have nothing to do with quelling any potential violence. That's not why he and his photo opps boys were there. They got booed up and down so..fail.
Columbia is a private university. Johnson, and other politicians, have no leg to stand on. If there's real violence then it's a matter for the police.
I have my own opinions about these protests. Personally don't think they have much to do with the political realities around Gaza. I think they see innocent people being killed and are responding. Which is totally valid. But to extend it to the point that they are tells me that it's more about raging against....anything. These are young people who come from money ($90K a year to attend) wanting to be a part of something. I think it now falls under virtue signaling and that only happens if there's an "enemy." My take is that most couldn't point to Gaza on a map.
College kids during the Vietnam era protesting against an action that directly impacted their generation? That's a TOTALLY different animal. This isn't that.
@trollslayer Yep. I was the same way. There's a certain self-importance at the age for a lot of people and when "making your voice heard" is on the table for the first time with peers it can be attractive. I was protesting Thursdays. It was the act of protesting. The issue was secondary.
@Ynotisay I think it’s so true. Maybe part of it is sheer frustration. They see the world on their own for the first time and possibly realize it will be theirs to fix! And it eventually will be!
@sunsporter1649 says [quote]Yeah, those peace-loving folks in gaza[/quote] You think you can hold the whole population of Gaza responsible for what a few thousand terrorists did? That ain't how civilization works, sunstroke.
[quote]chopping the heads off babies[/quote] And now the real sunstroke hypocrisy comes to light.
Elsewhere you have repeatedly argued that abortion is murder. Israel has gov't funded health care, and abortions are available on demand in Israel. Yeah, you have to ask a "panel" but in practice 99.5% of requests are granted. About 17,000 requests per year yields about 16,900 Israeli fetuses eliminated per year, paid for by the government of Israel. Oh yes, and under Islamic law, abortion is illegal.
That is true hypocrisy right there, @sunsporter1649. You have no actual concern for Israeli babies. Your want genocide in Palestine; nothing less will satisfy you.
@Handfull1 I had several co-workers that said once all the Racist Monuments were removed in our City, then there would be no more racism. The Monuments are now gone. Racism still exists though.
@dakotaviper you need to find smarter coworkers. I don’t necessarily think we should honor some of these people with statues although I wouldn’t mind seeing them in a museum with a plaque explaining history. There will always be racism or discrimination of some sort. It just changes throughout history.
I believe the intent of the protest (AKA riot) organizers is to set the stage for a Kent State type incident. We all know what will happen then; the components of the political left will then come together and add the military and the police to their target list, and Republicans of course.
Just watch the news being splattered across the TV and internet screens, the images all mostly focused on police having to use force to arrest rioters; the headlines all use the word "protest" or "protesters"; few images of rioters spitting on the police, or throwing things at them.
As far as trespassing is concerned, my understanding is, if it’s private property (meaning NOT public, like sidewalks), the owner can “trespass” you for any reason, or no reason. They (or the police) tell you you have been “trespassed” and if you return to the property during the span of ‘the trespass” you are subject to arrest.
@Mamapolo2016 I have a solution. Peace is in the hands of Hamas who doesn't want peace. All Hamas needs to do to end the suffering is to unconditionally surrender and return the hostages alive. They won't because they want to kill Palestinians for the sake of money and power in the form of international outrage.
So my solution is, Iran and Qatar take in all the citizens of Gaza. All of them. Democrat supporters should cover all moving expenses. Israel gets Gaza for compensation of the babies, children, men, and women killed on October 7. Israel gave up Gaza to be good neighbors. They left millions of dollars of agricultural equipment so Gazans could grow their own food. The Gazans destroyed the gifts along with their financial independence. Israel built them a water system and the Gazans dug up the pipes to make rockets to fire into Israel. So, lets all help kick a bad neighbor out of a good neighborhood.
Watching the non-peaceful protests, maybe the intent of the organizers was/is to provoke a heavy handed police or military response, thus moving attention away from Israel-Palestine bickering and towards a student-police confrontation and a political opportunity for the Democrat's left wing. To better understand what's going on, maybe specifically identify students and non-students and trace their behavior in videos and confrontations with the police. Were students sent to the forefront to be the ones to become victims of police overreach? A Kent type incident would provoke a different public reaction depending on whether the one injured or killed was a student or a non-student instigator.
Watching the unity of the non-peaceful protesters also brought up an image of a Trojan Horse. Has the US immigration process become a Trojan Horse gift, encouraging the US to to open the gate for an invasion by radical Islamist? 200,000 unknowns being waved through our southern border every month. Even if only 5% are here to invade, that's 100,000+ a year, 300,00 since Biden became president.
@BohemianBoo if you compare deaths Israelis vs Palestinians the past 20 years, it’s something like 35 to 1. Obviously israeli bombs work better than Palestinian rockets.
@BohemianBoo well, its a common tactic to try and pass blame onto others through a lie to justify one’s own misdeeds. The USA has done it all the time (wmd), Putin, and ironically Hitler himself.
When Congresswoman Ilhan Omar says the encampment was "co-opted" and "made to look bad.", you know there's a problem.
However, some questioned the Jewishness of the students who decided to celebrate Passover within the encampment, because it does not fit their narrative.
To avoid another April 23, 1968, the encampment needs to root out those who co-opted it, and the other side needs to remember that on April 23, 1968, the Jewish students, were the leaders.
@22Michelle Excellent! I was raised Catholic. One of the things that turned me away from the church was realizing how political they are, and that did not jive well with the whole philosophy of Jesus, as I understood it. My understanding was that Jesus was a break from the old way - let's not fear a vengeful God who will come down and wipe out all sinners, instead let's CHOOSE salvation, and CHOOSE to make "heaven on Earth". In other words, people choose to sin, but that is their choice. And it is their choice to not sin. Using the church to "force" "good" behavior upon people clearly went against this in the most blasphemous way - yet that is what the Church was doing. Not just the Catholic church, but most protestants as well. Using our "human" judgement to judge others as good or bad, and punish the "bad" out of the idea that we are somehow pleasing God as we do it.
This article says the same thing. Zionism seems to be "peace through destruction of others", and to me that is very blasphemous. I understand war must happen, but in this case they are establishing a hierarchy: Jews>Muslims. I understand innocents die in war. But in this war it is like neither side cares - rather than try and minimize harm to innocents, excuses are made that your people are more important than theirs.
@trollslayer [quote]This article says the same thing. Zionism seems to be "peace through destruction of others", and to me that is very blasphemous. I understand war must happen, but in this case they are establishing a hierarchy: Jews>Muslims. I understand innocents die in war. But in this war it is like neither side cares - rather than try and minimize harm to innocents, excuses are made that your people are more important than theirs.[/quote]
What did the Zionist Ehud Olmert say?
[b][c=BF0000]Israeli lives are worth more than Palestinian ones. Ehud Olmert [/c][/b]
@GrinNude that's exactly the point. For many there, this is simply the “injustice of the day”. Not saying that there is anything wrong with that, only that it is not personal for them.
Tent cities aren’t speech and should be removed after clear warning and an opportunity to vacate.
The problem is the notion of safety and inclusiveness. The Universities are trying to have it both ways. They made this bed, now have to lie in it. Jewish students “feel” unsafe, and not without justification. The double standard is awesome or behold.
@Bumbles i am not saying that it hasnt happened, or that it is not horrible. I am saying that you see a double standard because you fail to see the other side.
Are jews regularly pulled over for “driving while jewish”? What about murdered for jogging thru a rich neighborhood? Had the cops called on them for getting locked out of their own house? Harassed and asked to leave a business for looking “suspicious”?
Those people feel unsafe, too, and feel nobody is protecting them.
@trollslayer We are referring to feeling safe on Campus, but no one is advocating for being pulled over while black. There are no marches against anything that would make any black kid feel unsafe.
Innocent people were among the 4 killed and 13 wounded at Kent State on May 4, 1970, including an ROTC member who was just walking to class. I'm hoping similar things don't happen now. Texas Governor Greg Abbott sent DPS Officers to break up the protests at the University of Texas this afternoon. If a repeat of Kent State is going to happen, my bet is on the fascist Abbott and the State of Texas at the University of Texas in Austin, just a few blocks north of the state capitol.
@windinhishair Some interesting information about the police riot at the convention in 1968 in Chicago.
The 101st Airborne Division was scheduled to deploy to Chicago to give logistical support to the Chicago police. After having recently returned from Detroit, the troops met on the tarmac for discussion late into the night.
The following day, they were not deployed to Chicago out of concern that they might join the VVAW (Vietnam Veterans Against the War) who by now were playing a major role in the demonstrations.
I learned about this in a documentary about the 1968 Chicago Police Riots.
@GrinNude I did not know that. Very interesting. The war was wrong and the protesters were right. The pro-Palestinian protesters also have valid points. There is no reason for so many civilian casualties in Gaza.
The geniuses barricading themselves into buildings at Cal Stare Humboldt County have this to say:
“We will not negotiate us leaving until they divest,” Humboldt for Palestine wrote Tuesday on behalf of the students. “After that is met, then we will have further demands. But we are not leaving or moving or talking until they have completely divested from israel.”
Watching what happened at UCLA and UNC, the police are needed to prevent the pro-Hamas from being beaten up by anti-Hamas and pro-Israel students as much as the police are needed to protect university property. Zionist in America outnumber the ragheads 100 to one and hold the moral high ground..
We understand the game being played. The media is there mixed with the rioters awaiting a photo opportunity of the police using too much force to suit them. So they can turn this into an anti police protest. This may be seen as the way out for the leftist. The only way out.
While Israel has the highest number of Nobel prizes per capita of any country, we should remember both American and Islamic advancements that have benefitted society...
@NerdyPotato I don’t think any of that is antizionist. I wonder why so many are against zionism when it seems like the problem is American and Israeli policies.
@trollslayer It seems to be that the Zionist term is used by those who label someone who believes in the continued existence of Israel as a bad thing. For example, referring to Israelis as Zionists is well understood by Jews as hostile remark. Hamas refers to Israel as the Zionist enemy.
@Bumbles hmm, there is indeed some debate about the official definition of antizionism. Anyway, my points still stand that there's very little overlap between people who support Zionism (in their own words) and people who follow Judaism, and that nobody should want to support the current actions of the Israeli army in any shape or form.
The Jewish students should stick together and all transfer to other schools. When the school starts losing all that revenue, along with the large Jewish contributors checks, then something will be done!
@trollslayer I'm not even sure what his argument is there. Is he saying Leftists shouldn't have free speech? I mean, I know that's what Fashies believe, but they usually don't openly say it.
