Most US Conservatives think that the 2020 election was rigged.

@Picklebobble2 There is no Republican Party anymore, in the way it existed from Nixon to the middle of the last decade. It’s wholly owned by Trump.

Maybe a better way of saying it is: the Republican Party is not conservative anymore. It’s fueled by the personal grievances of one man who’s excellent into tapping into wider grievance.

@luckranger71 I predict that Mr. Trump will lose again, he will recycle his "stolen elections" rhetorics, but most people will just roll their eyes. The GOP will become a true conservative party again.
Fingers crossed...

@jehova It's a question of [i]will[/i], not [i]intellect[/i], in my opinion. If you deny them the intellectual capacity of the human mind, chances are you might become a part of the problem soon, because you appear to adopt the "us and them" mindset.

@RockerDad "RockerDad" is a great user name, by the way! 🌷

@helenS my comment is accurate it what they are doing im watching it happen.

@Lucia [quote] Very much so. I am allowed to live, work and travel. I am relatively safe despite being an odd one out in gender expression. [/quote]

American democracy works for you. It protects your right regardless of your orientation and ethnicity. However, you still have to live among other Americans whose attitudes may be offensive. Democracy allows them to exercise their right to public policies they want. Majority rules.

@sree251 You know other countries than the US exists, right?

@Lucia [quote] You know other countries than the US exists, right? [/quote]

What are you insinuating? US public policies offer you no protection against dominant cultural orientation of American society you live in. US public (i.e. official) policies are crafted for short term political power gains. It is not about your personal freedom. Minorities need to tread carefully in any society including the US.

@whowasthatmaskedman The whole Presidential election system in the US is in contradiction to the "One man one vote" principle. Trump would never have won the 2016 elections if the electoral procedures were similar to, for example, those in France where the [u]majority[/u] of votes will determine who the winner is.

@helenS We agree. From the electoral college finger on the scales favoring the Southern states, to the electoral maps being drawn to clump voters and the uneven spread of voting facilities to the recent attenpts to disenfranchise the homeless (many of whom are Vets) through voter ID measures. Lets not even pretend its democratic. The original voters were White Landowners and that was good enough for the founding fathers..😷

@helenS [quote]The whole Presidential election system in the US is in contradiction to the "One man one vote" principle. Trump would never have won the 2016 elections if the electoral procedures were similar to, for example, those in France where the majority of votes will determine who the winner is.[/quote]

In America, Congress has the power to elect the President.

@BohemianBoo I agree. They dont believe it. But they believe holding onto power is more important than truth.. Maybe it is...😷

@BohemianBoo No different to Members of the Cult of Electric Jesus aka the Teslarati fanboys and gridgirls.

@jshm2 Burnley getting relegated is fake news!

@helenS

[quote]
We either win, or the elections were stolen", and idolizing a single person as if he were a demi-God, is 100% anti-republican.[/quote]

You sound like the hate filled NPC's that infest this site. Nobody worships Trump (leftists worship politicians because government is their god), he's just a refreshing change (a president that doesnt deliberately drive the country off a cliff)

@sladejr On the other hand, I said, somewhere else in this thread:
[quote]Some Trump supporters I talked with here on SW are certainly not ignorant doofuses.[/quote]
And you may probably know who I'm talking about...

@helenS I assume I'm not the only one 🥰

@KatyO83 The movie even had them wearing red caps.

@Burnley123
It's only fraud if votes were fraudulently obtained in that case.

Like the ballots that were scanned multiple times in Detroit.

@HoraceGreenley Trump was recorded pressurising an official to "find" him votes. People can read into that what they will.

@Burnley123 There are videos of "campaign workers" running ballots through the reader multiple times. Most of the ballots only had the presidential race indicated and no down ballot voting. That is not typical.

@NathanielS plus there's another important point.... It gives you an excuse on why you lost...I mean we have the best man and the best policies... If we didn't win it was because of cheating

@NathanielS

[quote]Saying an election is stolen after you lose is a pretty good tactic; [/quote]

Like spending 3 years trying to contrive an obvious fraud, even creating false documents, to blame a ridiculous Russia stealing election fantasy?

@AthrillatheHunt [quote]letting non citizens vote suppresses the votes of citizens .[/quote]

Non-citizens voting doesn't stop citizens from voting.

[quote]And I thank you for admitting both sides gerrymander . Saying “they do it more “ is a bit childish .
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No, because Democrats don't want to gerrymander. They're trying to ban it. But some of them have accepted that, until they're able to ban it, they have no choice buy to gerrymander too. Saying "they both do it" ignores the fact that Democrats are trying to end it.

@BohemianBoo a non citizen vote dilutes , or “suppresses” the votes of citizens .
When peoples actions are opposite their words (they do it , but they want to stop it ) I always believe the actions , not the words . That’s like republicans saying they want to end school shootings .

@AthrillatheHunt [quote]a non citizen vote dilutes , or “suppresses” the votes of citizens .[/quote]

I mean, if words mean nothing, sure. Washing my balls suppresses the washing of my feet.

[quote]When peoples actions are opposite their words (they do it , but they want to stop it ) I always believe the actions , not the words . That’s like republicans saying they want to end school shootings .[/quote]

The difference is that Democrats actually have tried to end gerrymandering, but Republicans always vote against it. Hopefully one day the GOP will be so unpopular, that they'll lose despite gerrymandering, and then we can ban it. But in the meantime, we need to fight fire with fire.
Same goes for money in politics. We should drastically reduce how much people are allowed to donate, that way billionaires can't buy politicians. But in the meantime, Democrats have to take as much money as they can, or they'll never win against the GOP which is much more well-funded by the rich.

@Convivial Yes it gives rise to concern and I really don't know how stable the American Republic is. (Fun fact: I really think Mr. Trump's foreign policy was essentially right, especially regarding his critique of European countries and his support for Israel.)

@helenS as they say, Mussolini got the trains to run on time... No one is always wrong,... But I'd prefer my world to have late trains and no Trump.

The American republic has weathered some hiccups in the past... But those same hiccups expose the tensions that lie beneath... Which is stronger?....i don't know, but i fear it will face it's greatest test shortly

@iamonfire696 I didn’t hear them complaining about all results of the down-ballot republicans that won in the same election,.

@RockerDad Exactly, so the system works or it doesn’t right?

@iamonfire696 it tells me a lot of moderate republicans and independents voted against Trump in 2020

@MethDozer [i]"I haven't seen anyone with a Biden hat!!!" [/i]

@deadgerbil It's weird that votes count the same, even for people who don't buy the merch.